Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albanians in Serbia

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep, at best no consensus. But I do warn User:Србија до Токија to avoid injecting nationalistic rhetoric into Wikipedia debates. Kurykh 04:03, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Albanians in Serbia[edit]

This page was created by redirecting Albanians in Kosovo and Albanians in Central Serbia, as stated on the talk page. The intent appears to be POV-pushing in connection with the events in Kosovo leading towards independence. The redirects were undertaken without any attempt to solicit comment on the respective parent article talk pages. Recommend Speedy Delete, but it is here because it will be controversial. Dchall1 (talk) 15:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep 'I'm against deleting it. Kosovo is still a part of Serbia, according to UN Resolution 1244, if it's OK to say that Kosovo is in Serbia for the UN, it should be OK for Wikipedia as well. However, if Kosovo is recognized as independent by the UN, I will be the first one to vote to separate the article into Albanians in Kosovo and Albanians in Central Serbia. It's perfectly OK to have an article that unites Albanians in Kosovo and Central Serbia, two entities within one country. --GOD OF JUSTICE 20:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep articles like albanians in Central Serbia or albanians in Kosovo clearly support separatism (otherwise there would be articles like Serbs in Republic of Srpska or Serbs in Tirana, Americans in Berlin etc.). Those two articles merged look much prettier plus there are no more albanian propaganda that is spread in those articles like separatism and nazism. I realy don't see why you don't support that article (except the fact that you were together with albanians part of various actions of spreading albanian propaganda, and prove is Kosovo war, and another prove is this. There is one more prove too I think you threat to one member who protected Kosovo article from albanian nazi separatist pro terrorist propaganda she received many threats, but Serbs protected her. Anyway this article solves many problems: separatism, pro terrorism, nazism dissapeared, Serbs are satisfied, Albanians are satisfied, and it makes all problems solved. If you continue spreading albanian propaganda, I will tell you to administrators and you ll receive a warning before you get banned. --Србија до Токија (talk) 23:04, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My preferred solution would be to use the new page as a substitute for the previous "Central Serbia" place, but since the Kosovo section is large enough to deserve its own page, I would put a shortened version in the "Albanians in Serbia" article, and leave the rest in "Albanian in Kosovo". --Nehwyn (talk) 08:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: this one is difficult. On one hand there certainly are ethnic Albanians in Serbia, both inside or outside Kosovo. E.g. there is a sizeable Albanian minority in Belgrade. However, given the contentious nature of the Kosovo article on Wikipedia I would suggest either deleting the article, or rewriting it to specifically discuss Albanians in Serbia but outside Kosovo. This would be something akin to the article on Israeli Arabs (called "Arabs Citizens of Israel"). Although Kosovo Albanians could probably de jure still be considered citizens of Serbia, de facto they are not. E.g. I don't know of any who are issued with Serbian passports (though it may be so). I propose the article's name be changed to Albanian citizens of Serbia and focus exclusively on Albanians in Serbia outside of Kosovo and their history.Osli73 (talk) 09:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The article may currently contain some POV, but that's a reason to improve, not delete. I should also note that the concept of Albanians in x and of x in Serbia are well established - see {{Albanians}} and {{Ethnic groups in Serbia}}. I would however agree with Osli73's suggestion to try and avoid the topic of Kosovo in this article, but again that's not a reason to delete. If kept, and if the closing admin wishes, I would be happy to assist in removing inappropriate content (leave a note on my talk page). — Dihydrogen Monoxide 22:22, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- Comment Perhaps I wasn't being clear on why I started this AFD discussion. I'm not recommending deletion of the content of this article. If you look back through the history of this page, you will see that the article was created by copying and pasting the texts of Albanians in Kosovo and Albianians in Central Serbia, and then blanking and redirecting the underlying articles. The text has been restored to these two articles, but Albanians in Serbia still exists. I think Osli73 and Nehwyn have the right idea on how to solve this dispute. Dchall1 (talk) 22:51, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.