Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alastair Down

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The result was speedy keep per WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) Bruxton (talk) 01:22, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alastair Down[edit]

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There are a ton of folks with this name, and this man appears to potentially be notable, but I can't find any in-depth sourcing about this particular person. Was sent to draft for improvement, but returned without any work being done on the article. Currently fails WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:59, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and Scotland. AllyD (talk) 12:17, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Obituaries in The Times [1](paywalled) and The Guardian [2] and knighthood are strong indicators of notability. AllyD (talk) 12:22, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
OBE is not an auto notable indicator. Even CBE is debatable. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:49, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Who mentioned his OBE (which is debatable, but a CBE certainly isn't incidentally)? We're talking about his knighthood! -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:25, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You do understand that the OBE is the class of his knighthood? Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:43, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And there we have the crux of it, I think. Sadly it is clearly you who does not understand the British honours system (I very much do, as you will see if you examine my work on Wikipedia). He was a knight bachelor, which is not part of any order and carries no post-nominal letters. The OBE (Officer of the Order of the British Empire) is a much lower honour which he received while he was in the army during WWII. OBE does not stand for Order of the British Empire and had nothing to do with his knighthood. Two completely different things. If he had received a knighthood within the Order of the British Empire, which he did not, he would have been a KBE - Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:58, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A knighthood clearly counts per WP:ANYBIO #1. Ridiculous to think it doesn't. People aren't knighted unless they're already highly notable. Also obituaries in national newspapers (one of which was already listed when it was nominated for deletion) which clearly meet GNG. Chairman of Burmah Oil, a very important company. All in all, a thoroughly ill-thought-out nomination. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:24, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The knighthood and the obituaries seem to pass GNG/ANYBIO. They don't hand out knighthoods to just anyone. Oaktree b (talk) 18:06, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The knighthood and coverage seem to pass WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:24, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep - he had a knighthood and led three large oil corporations. The obits are enough, frankly. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 12:55, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Knighthood and obituaries in The Times, Telegraph and Guardian clearly demonstrate notability Piecesofuk (talk) 14:33, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep: ludicrous, possibly bad faith nomination. Substantial article, knighthood. WTH? 107.122.161.61 (talk) 02:36, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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