Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alana Filippi

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The result was keep. Keeping. Please consider improving with French language (Google Translate, baby!) sources. Thanks everyone for contributing and assuming good faith! Missvain (talk) 16:02, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alana Filippi[edit]

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Per WP:SBST Routine reporting, such as these covering her death, do not constitute substantial coverage. If that were true then anyone who died would have an article. However the PROD was challenged on the idea that a single obituary would be enough. We do however now have enough references to use on wikidata to give her the writing credits. Jerod Lycett (talk) 16:30, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Jerod Lycett (talk) 16:30, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Jerod Lycett (talk) 16:30, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Her name brings a number of hits in Google Books, but they're in French, so I can't comment on their content. Nothing in the Proquest Entertainment Industry Magazine Archive. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 17:10, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The nomination statement misrepresents my reasons for contesting the WP:PROD template, and I don't know where the nominator gets the ideas that an obituary is the same as a news report of a death, and that "anyone who died" gets an obituary in a major national newspaper. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:22, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed that it isn't a typical obituary... I can't even read French and I can see it's not some list of survivors, charity, fate of the remains. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 17:27, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The examples that you give are what you see in a typical death notice, not what you see in a typical obituary. They are very different things, and I don't understand why so many Wikipedia editors don't understand the difference. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:31, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's not quite it. Death notices are typically names, ages; times and locations of interment; they are unpaid and are therefore basic as can be to communicate the death to the public. Obituaries have more information {as I listed above}, possibly with more of a write-up on the person's life and accomplishments, often but not always because someone paid. Full, feature obituaries on prominent persons are less likely to be generated from content given by the family. The write up on Filippi appears to be a feature obituary or news item, which is a stronger case for notability than a sponsored obituary or a death notice. Most editors on here don't use either frequently enough to notice a difference. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 17:43, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but you have obituaries and death notices the wrong way round. Obituaries (at least in serious major national newspapers like Le Figaro) are descriptions of the life of someone who has died written by a journalist or someone independently commissioned by a newspaper's editorial staff. Death notices are what are written and paid for by families, and are clearly marked as classified ads. One of the things that has amazed me since I started editing Wikipedia is that there are people who don't understand this simple difference. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:57, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Now how can I have it the wrong way around when I say there are 3 different types and I've agreed with you so much? ;) Perhaps things are different in France, but in the US, we have death notices, lengthier paid pieces called obituaries written about ordinary people, and then longer obituaries about well-known people that focus on their accomplishments. Wikipedia's article on obituaries may shed some light. I've paid for (the writing of and access to) enough to know a death notice is good for little but that obituaries have broken down many a research brick wall. And that full or feature obituaries in major publications indicate notability... Good luck with the AfD and conveying notability. I'm out.DiamondRemley39 (talk) 19:04, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Getting back on topic, she was very well known to the general public in France, and her obituary was widely published. She wrote a significant number of hit songs for artists who are themselves notable, such as Jenifer, Calogero, Grégory Lemarchal and Jean-Jacques Daran (who was apparently her husband/companion at some point; no article in English, but a long a detailed one in French). She also seems to have won a number of awards for her songwriting. See for example: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5] etc. Obviously all the sources are in French, but that doesn't impinge on her notability. --Xuxl (talk) 21:13, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as has reliable sources coverage such as Le Figaro and the multiple sources identified above that show the many awards she won, so there is no need for deletion imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:04, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. TJMSmith (talk) 00:14, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep several sources indicate notability per above. —Jonny Nixon (talk) 03:01, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.