Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al-Manara Square
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 01:45, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Al-Manara Square[edit]
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The article is heavily slanted and would need to be cleansed of political leanings to be of any value. There is an entire section on "The Zionist Occupation". Much of the language here reveals author bias and should be examined thoroughly. RichardMills65 (talk) 03:53, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Palestine-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:24, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- First, I would like to appologize for any bias I made, altough its not my fault. I read the article on it, a reference of which you can find after every paragraph, that I way I didn't made anything up, nor did I copied and paste it. If you feel that something is not right with my article feel free to minimize to a point that is readable and un biased. I wont recomend deletion, due to the fact that I worked on it for 2 straight days. So again, if you want to blame someone, blame Jewishquaterly site, who puted that biased info in there. I'm shocked myself, considering Jewish Quaterly is an Israeli-American site (as far as I can see), I am surprised that they are biased toward their own state. However, thats not my thing to judge. I'm just a Russian, that decided to join project Palestine, out of boredom and to help Wikipedia project in general!--Mishae (talk) 00:16, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: There are more than adequate references to the history and significance of this and User:Mishae should put more of those in and do the references more completely. I'll do a quick NPOV cleanup of some of the language to address those issues. User:RichardMills65 should have at least given User:Mishae a chance to respond on the talk page ands not gone straight to AfD. CarolMooreDC 05:30, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I tried to find some other info but failed, only Youtube and Jewish Quaterly was of value. Others were about Ramallah, but not about the square. I don't mind User:RichardMills65 putting it onto AfD list, as long as I have a chance to respond. I wasn't panicked about it being nominated, I knew there was a huge amount of reasons to keep it, I just don't know what to keep and what to delete. You know, if I would delete an important point, I might get slapped with vandalism, and I don't want that. If youm will clean up, (or at least guide me through) I will be very grateful. A for NPOV, again, I am sorry for violating it, but I have an excuse: The article was so big, that I even wrote only a half of it. The Jewish Quaterly site have the other part, which I thought would be of no value. However, as far as I can see, it would have been better if I would add the other half to it. I will start it today, if possible, I might finish with the whole article by Saturday if not earlier. Another thing, why Youtube videos are unreliable, if they show exactly that place. The same cafes, for example, or the pole, a video of which I have added as of a minute ago.--Mishae (talk) 16:42, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I just added nine solid WP:RS (plus a couple youtube videos as supplementary material only). So hopefully that will address the referencing issue. CarolMooreDC 05:47, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I tried to find some other info but failed, only Youtube and Jewish Quaterly was of value. Others were about Ramallah, but not about the square. I don't mind User:RichardMills65 putting it onto AfD list, as long as I have a chance to respond. I wasn't panicked about it being nominated, I knew there was a huge amount of reasons to keep it, I just don't know what to keep and what to delete. You know, if I would delete an important point, I might get slapped with vandalism, and I don't want that. If youm will clean up, (or at least guide me through) I will be very grateful. A for NPOV, again, I am sorry for violating it, but I have an excuse: The article was so big, that I even wrote only a half of it. The Jewish Quaterly site have the other part, which I thought would be of no value. However, as far as I can see, it would have been better if I would add the other half to it. I will start it today, if possible, I might finish with the whole article by Saturday if not earlier. Another thing, why Youtube videos are unreliable, if they show exactly that place. The same cafes, for example, or the pole, a video of which I have added as of a minute ago.--Mishae (talk) 16:42, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Reviewing the history of the article, there did seem to be some possible issues with bias in previous versions--but it looks pretty close to neutral now. I'm fairly certain that the the political and commercial center of Ramallah is notable, there are a few hits on Google news that could be used to expand the article further (i.e. [1]). Mark Arsten (talk) 21:27, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep This is very coincidental. I started a draft page for this article a few days before this current one got posted. Here's the draft: User:Al Ameer son/Manara. We could use info from my draft if NPOV is the problem. In any case, there's absolutely no case for deletion. It's probably the most famous square in the West Bank. --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:54, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- When I was just about finished updating it I found your draft article and did add one sentence from it. Obviously, add anything important you feel I missed. I pretty much got through all the Books.google sources of relevance. There were quite a few more refs in archives.news.google for the last 12 years or so, but I just ran out of energy. CarolMooreDC 00:58, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.