Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Akron Ice House

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep. Per WP:Speedy keep#1, the nominator has withdrawn their nomination and there are no other arguments for deletion. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:14, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Akron Ice House[edit]

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While this building or company (hard to make the topic out, the name suggests a building, the first paragraph describe a company, the name of the article is not repeated anywhere in it outside the title) may be notable (but even that is not clear), this article is a de-facto unreferenced mess with major style issues and possible copyvio issues that should get WP:TNT treatment, with no prejudices if anyone wants to recreate this in a proper form. PS. Ping User:The Fuzz Bucket who proposed the deletion and whose PROD was removed with no rationale. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:50, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:50, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:05, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep WP:TNT is neither policy nor guideline. The actual policies and guidelines applicable include WP:ATD; WP:IMPERFECT; WP:NEXIST and WP:PRESERVE. The main topic here is the Klages Coal and Ice Company which was established in Akron in 1879 and operated a variety of related businesses including the Iceland skating rink, the Royal Crown Bottling plant, and their main ice-making plant. These are covered in detail in books such as Lost Akron and Fifty Years and Over of Akron and Summit County and in journals such as Cold Storage and Ice Trade Journal and Industrial Refrigeration. The topic is therefore notable per the WP:GNG. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:57, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. There's a possible copyvio issue with maybe 75% of this material and this source from 2012. All but the top paragraph actually. I haven't further marked the article or removed the material yet. We might resolve both AfD and Copyvio: is this a candidate for speedy deletion under G12, "where there is no non-infringing content on the page worth saving." --Lockley (talk) 11:10, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Lockley: CSD makes sense, with no prejudice if someone wants to write about this topic from scratch. As I said, the topic may be notable but the execution is a disaster. But once an article is at AfD I don't know if CSD is allowed? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:18, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Hello @Piotrus:. I hate to leave a copyvio in place even temporarily. It feels like walking away from a fire in a trashcan. I'm going to remove the material although it leaves very little to discuss here. --Lockley (talk) 15:52, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - @Lockley: Given the article is being rewritten and improved, maybe revdel the copyvio revisions and then I will withdraw my nom? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:12, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      - @Piotrus: Challenge accepted and done! Happiness is a constructive outcome from the ol' deletion mill. --Lockley (talk) 00:51, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Did Dr. Armin Sicherman commenting on this ice house get wide spread media coverage and did any politicians pass laws based on what he said? Dream Focus 14:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If he did, there's no evidence of any such campaign on newspapers.com, not in the Akron paper or elsewhere. His obit in 1927 is fairly extensive and doesn't mention it. Dr. Sicherman appears to have been on the local board of health so that might have been the context. --Lockley (talk) 15:52, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I am actively adding 19th century references ATM. Passes WP:NBUILDING Lightburst (talk) 17:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Recent improvements show rehab potential. In the 2000s the Ice House became an art/performance space with at least some minor coverage, which was the focus of this article as originally created. --Lockley (talk) 17:37, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Possible name change to address the comments of the nominator? Klages Coal & Ice Company perhaps? we also can wait until the AfD concludes. Lightburst (talk) 19:18, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- I am fine with the name being changed, if it helps to rescue this. The only question is whether we need two articles or not? Right now the lead of the article is about the Akron Ice House, but the body is about the company. This is still in need of fixing. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:12, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP Just rename and its fine. https://www.newspapers.com/clip/23358354/stockholder-in-prosperous-klages-coal/ https://www.akronlibrary.org/images/Divisions/SpecCol/images/City_Plan_for_Akron.pdf Various things to dig through that might find more information to add. Dream Focus 00:59, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw. Copvio content revdeleted, topic found to be notable and written per scratch. I suggested WP:TNT and effectively this was done, with a rewrite on top. Thank you to all who participated - just please decide if we need two separate articles (building and company) or not. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:07, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.