Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Akanni-Sunday Wasiu

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The result was Withdrawn by nominator. --Angelo (talk) 14:48, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Akanni-Sunday Wasiu[edit]

Footballer who fails WP:ATHLETE as he has never played a game in a fully pro league. Was originally prodded, but removed without explanation by an IP. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 22:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 22:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to withdraw as it appears that the Polish Second Division is indeed fully professional. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 21:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Jimbo^[online] 23:28, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Giant Snowman 16:15, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep. Played in 2006/07 for FK Vilnius which is in the top division of professional football in Lithuania and previously played in 2005/06 for Szczakowianka Jaworzno then in the Polish second tier; see SoccerTerminal. Meets WP:ATHLETE. Nfitz (talk) 17:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You have to prove that the Lithuanian league is fully professional. It likely isn't. Punkmorten (talk) 19:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Given that FK Vilnius' average crowds for the two seasons he was there were 429 and 575 (and other clubs didn't even reach 200) [1], I don't see how it can be. The Polish club were not in the second tier during his season there (their last season was in 2001-02,[2] so I doubt that they were in a fully pro league either. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 21:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "You have to prove that the Lithuanian league is fully professional. It likely isn't." - A Lyga is the "top division of professional football in Lithuania" according to Wikipedia. It looks like the team was in A Lyga when Wasiu was there, but has since been moved out. Nfitz (talk) 22:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - That statement is not actually referenced, and without such, it is not a reliable source. Given that one club in the league had an average attendance of 89 (!!!), there surely can be no way that the league is fully professional. пﮟოьεԻ 57 22:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - I think if your trying to claim that the the top league in Lithuania doesn't qualify as professional, then we all need to read Wikipedia:Use common sense. Good grief, their UEFA Coefficient is higher than Ireland. Nfitz (talk) 22:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Possibly because the Irish League isn't fully pro either (the Irish national team on the other hand is much more highly rated because virtually all of its players play in England or the SPL). Surely common sense would say that a league with an average attendance of less than 800 in the two years in question cannot be fully pro. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 23:00, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Interesting discussion - and I believe that the top level of soccer in these countries is as close to notable as required - we've had precedents on that before. But it's all moot as Szczakowianka Jaworzno played 2004/2005 in the second tier of Polish soccer, then called 2 Liga - the Polish Second League (renamed to Polish First League in 2008). There is no question that it is a fully professional league. Nfitz (talk) 23:42, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        Oh really? Reference it. Punkmorten (talk) 07:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        ?? I did, both in my Speedy Keep, and then in the article itself. Here it is again [3]. Nfitz (talk) 17:14, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Juventus once had an attendance of 237 at a Coppa Italia match seven years ago... Gretna (who played in the SPL last season you might recall) has a 3000 capacity stadium and their lowest attendance in a league match was around 500... this kind of thing does happen occasionally. ugen64 (talk) 04:34, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Yes, but we're not talking about occasional one-off "freak" low attendances though, we're talking about average attendances over the course of the whole season. Average attendances in the Lithuanian league are on a par with the Conference South...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Just a thing: I don't really want to allow all Sanmarinese footballers in this encyclopedia just because the Sanmarinese national league is a top tier (and the only tier, by the way, composed by teams who would easily be relegated in an English Conference league). WP:ATHLETE and WP:FOOTYN say clearly only players who appeared in a fully professional are notable, and I think it's quite an inclusive criterion. Players without a professional contract should never be allowed to stay here, unless in exceptional circumstances (and this is definitely not the case). --Angelo (talk) 08:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It appears that the Lithuanian A Lyga is professional according to this source, which also indicates that many clubs in that league draw significantly better than poor FC Vilnius, one of several clubs in the capital. Further, the level of at least some A Lyga squads is substantially better than many here have given them credit for, just ask Rangers' fans. For more on Lithuanian football, the site Futbolas is very informative. --Friejose (talk) 21:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- In furtherance of what 57 said above, I have added a reference in the Polish First League article from the Warsaw Voice stating that the it was fully professional at the time Szczakowianka Jaworzno, and Mr. Wasiu, played in it. --Friejose (talk) 22:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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