Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/African American transsexuality

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Transexuality. Precedent is not a rationale for keeping. Dmcdevit·t 00:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

African American transsexuality[edit]

Article is composed of normative rather than factual statements (e.g. statements that African American transsexuals shouldn't be 'lumped together' with the community as a whole), original research about gender roles in the black community and general statements that would better belong in the Transsexuality article. Antonrojo 15:27, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and Redirect whatever's not OR into the Transsexuality article. ColourBurst 16:27, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm not sure. Perhaps there is a different enough cultural mindset on this issue to warrant an article like there is with certain American Indian groups and the Two-Spirit idea. However I'm not really convinced of that, although I do believe there are parts of Africa that do have different cultural contexts on sexuality or gender.--T. Anthony 18:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The editor who nominated this for deletion is removing a lot of published citations from reliable sources about the history and prevalence of transsexualism. See the talk page for more. The last section of the article as it stands should probably be removed in its entirety. It's entirely original research bolstered with very weak citations. ~~I'd vote merge/redirect~~ (though the transsexuality article is already too long), but I would preserve some of the clinical data deleted today. Jokestress 20:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm planning to merge some of this into the Transsexualism article and have copied some of the content to do so--of course anyone is welcome to merge anything I missed using a version before the AfD notice. Most of the references are general discussions/studies of gender roles and tranvestitism/homosexuality in the black community, or transsexuality in general and anything of value should be moved there. Antonrojo 23:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Nothing in the content (I use that word loosely) provided herein asserts that there is anything particular enough about African American transsexuality to distinguish it from other -- forms? strains? trends? if this is notable, I can't wait for the flood of articles on Polish-American transsexuality, German-Romanian transsexuality, Arab-Brazilian transsexuality, et. al. (Links provided for easing the Wikipedia's transition into a madhouse.) Vafthrudnir 22:37, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Apparently original research; no reliable source given for the implied claim that Black US citizens have different reasons for transsexuality than either Black people from other parts of the world or US citizens of other races. --Charlene 23:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Precedent for separate articles on Berdache, Kathoey, Hijra, etc. See also Homosexuality in China etc. for discussions of sexuality by specific demographics. Transsexual article is too long as it is, and this covers issues specific to this demographic and culture. Most POV-filled original research has been thankfully removed since nominated, but there's more good reliable sources to fill out this article over time. Jokestress 01:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment There is no such thing as "precedent based on inclusion" (or Wikipedia:Inclusion is not an indicator of notability). ColourBurst 05:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.