Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adal Kingdom

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The result was merge to Adal Sultanate. Randykitty (talk) 15:44, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Adal Kingdom[edit]

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There doesnt seem to be a Adal Kingdom in the 9th century. Adal is only first mentioned as a district within another polity in the 13th century, see here on p. 74 [1] List of kingdoms in the area, are in this order: Sultanate of Showa, Ifat Sultanate in the 12-13th and finally Adal Sultanate, see p.56-57 [2] p.83 [3] Adal also seems to be flat term for region rather then a state. p. 75 [4] Magherbin (talk) 03:32, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 05:49, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Somalia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 05:49, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Seems fake to me. 我是一位中国人 (🇨🇳) 15:15, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The Encylopedia Americana reference in the article does briefly mention such a kingdom. [5] There are several other what I would characterize as low quality references (e.g. self-published book [6]) claiming that Al-Yaqubi wrote of such a kingdom in the 9th century, presumably in Kitab al-Buldan (Arabic: كتاب البلدان‎) (Book of the Countries). I thought it would be fairly easy to check in an english translation but while I can find public domain arabic versions, (e.g. [7]) I am failing to find one in english. Even if it could be verified that Al-Yaqubi wrote of such a kingdom, one would want secondary sources discussing the reliability of such an early work. It is possible that such sources exist in Arabic, but I am not aware of them. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 15:28, 25 March 2019 (UTC) The 1955 Lewis reference in the article (p. 140) [8] mentions the Al-Yaqubi account and some subsequent 10th century references, e.g. by Istakhri, Ibn Hawqal and Al-Muqaddasī. Some of these early accounts are discussed at both Zeila#Adal_kingdom and Adal_Sultanate#Establishment. I am coming to an opinion that consolidating all the early accounts, perhaps by merging to Adal_Sultanate#Establishment might be the best way forward. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 15:50, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I dont think Al Yacubi mentioned Adal rather Zaila, however most historians seem to think the Zaila entity was most likely Adal's precursor, most early sources claim a kingdom of zaila later evolving into adal sultanate existed, noting arabic texts as explained on p.12 [9] For future purposes perhaps a seperate Adal region article could be started based on sources like these which claims adal is sometimes a vague term p.52 [10] p.20 [11]. Merger seems fine for now though, I just noticed merger was proposed by User:Mouthwash15 and User:Berek on the talk page of the article Magherbin (talk) 23:36, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with merge, actually. On a side note, the lack of English-language references is a common problem I deal with regularly on my to-be articles, so I'm used to it. Woshiyiweizhongguoren (🇨🇳) 16:19, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Adal_Sultanate#Establishment. I agree with the reasoning above: it's hard to see that there's enough source material for a separate article on this kingdom (until more archaeological work has been done, at least), and the material here could readily and usefully be integrated into Adal_Sultanate#Establishment (which is already linked as a main article from Zeila#Adal_kingdom). Alarichall (talk) 00:39, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Mergeto Adal Sultanate - All of the material currently in the article would be better in part removed and in part inserted into the existing article. The supposition this article makes is that the Adal Sultanate existed earlier than the 15th century not that a distinct Kingdom existed. If the supposition was that a distinct kingdom existed, then perhaps I would support merger with Sultanate of Mogadishu or keep. Smmurphy^(Talk) 18:30, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Probably redirect but I am not sure where. I see a problem with the alleged date of establishment: is it 9th century in Islamic dating? Apart from the problem with the date, I would guess the target should be Adal Sultanate. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:35, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
But the Adal Sultanate did not even exist until 1415, succeeding the Ifat Sultanate after its fall to Dawit of Ethiopia? KallebTigray (talk) 16:23, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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