Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Absalon of Caesarea

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The result was keep. Whether to merge, and where to merge to, can be discussed elsewhere. Sarahj2107 (talk) 09:25, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Absalon of Caesarea[edit]

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Notablity. Can find zero internet sources other than those which have copied what this stub mentions. Seems unusual considering a saint. The Holweck, F. G. book I do not have access to, but it seems to be the only reference to this saint, but was published over 90 years ago. EllsworthSchmittendorf (talk) 13:52, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Best I can find is this, but I have no idea how reliable catholicsaints.info is (and it doesn't appear to have an about page which might clarify who is writing it...) I don't have access to Holweck either, so I can't help you there... Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 15:05, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The 2015 Book of Saints edited by Basil Watkins lists the trio of Lucius, Absalon, and Lorgius, stating "The old Roman Martyrology listed these as having been martyred at Caesarea in Cappadocia (Asia Minor)" but then notes (without further detail) that they have been "deleted" from the Roman Martyrology. [1] The trio shows up in a variety of older lists, but I didn't come across anything more informative.--Arxiloxos (talk) 15:16, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. If he was once acknowledged as a saint by a major church then I think he passes the notability bar. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:38, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 17:38, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:39, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In principle Merge but I am not sure where -- Catholic tradition seems to indicate that Lucius (a bishop), Absalom and Lorgius were martyred at Caesarea, though it is not even known when. It would seem that they must be recorded together in some ancient list: [2]. We certainly do not need more than one article on them all. I was expecting to find an article of bishop Lucius, but I cannot. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:21, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now at least and then consider Merging afterwards as a different path, this seems to need familiar attention and if not found independent for its own article, merge as needed. SwisterTwister talk 05:14, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Since this issue seemed unclear, I went ahead and created the article "Martyrs of Caesarea". I propose, then, that this article be remade by being turned into a retarget over to that page. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 18:55, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Also going to comment that 'Absalom of Caesarea', 'Absalon of Caesarea', 'Absolom of Caesarea', and 'Absolucius of Caesarea' all appear to be used, which is admittedly rather irritating although I guess not uncommon for people's names pre-10th century. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 21:28, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any particular need to delete the existing page and thus eliminate the edit history; a redirect should take care of it. --Arxiloxos (talk) 21:40, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that was a mistake. Meant to word it differently. Fixed. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 22:36, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep based on past practice. Bearian (talk) 19:35, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.