Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abimbola Ogunnowo (3rd nomination)

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The result was delete. ansh 666 22:08, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Abimbola Ogunnowo[edit]

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Article creator seem to be deperate about putting this article in mainspace, and from my 8 years experience here, desperation 70% of the time usually equate strong COI or paid editing, especially when you factor in that at best Ogunnowo is a C-class actress with no major impact in Nollywood. Being the third AFD in the last few months, it is clear that article creator has no respect for WP:CONSENSUS, as the references in this article does not seem to be significantly better than the previous version. My advice for the article creator is to wait till more independent coverage is published or is she gets lead roles in major films or when she wins a major award, however, if the article creator thinks the earlier deletion was done in error, then he should go through deletion review. Subject still falls short of inclusion criteria for Wikipedia. HandsomeBoy (talk) 18:31, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This is a new inclusion from the previous versions, "Information Nigeria" named her as "one of the four Yoruba actresses who are experts in skin toning and brightening business"[3]. - this is just like saying TMZ listed top 5 Hollywood actresses that goes to the grocery store, both are insignificant when accessing notability.HandsomeBoy (talk) 18:40, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is a major film "Ifejafunmi" she was the lead actor and this movie features likes of "Femi Branch" & "Mercy Aigbe Gentry" also note Yoruba actor's never got the type of attention they needed till around late 2000 also as you may know Africa Magic Yoruba is currently playing a big role in their industry, even the official Yoruba movie awards started in 2012 "Yoruba Movie Academy Awards" not everybody knows about that yet. Also as you may know due to her tribemark she lost a lot of role aside her first major role in "Ifejafunmi". Also she was nominated for a major award earlier last year "City People Entertainment Awards" also check Mercy Aigbe Gentry all the movies she acted being listed doesn't have a Wikipedia even if the movies are major Yoruba movies that how poor the Yoruba movie industry are, also most of the Yoruba movies I see on Wikipedia are around 2010/2011 but they are alot of top movies without Wikipedia because of no record of sales and no story on the media and nobody really focusing in the Yoruba movie industry till around. Also she was featured in Papa Ajasco and this is a reputable movie since 1996 to present still going on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timi422 (talk • contribs) 07:37, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Also around 2015 Femi Adebayo was made special adviser to the Governor of Kwara State on Arts, Culture and Tourism to help the Yoruba movie industry grow, their movie industry is really poor alot of big names but can't be on Wikipedia due to poor system.--Timi422 (talk) 07:42, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

While I agree with you that generally English-Nollywood has a better online presence than Yoruba-Nollywood, I do not agree that there is a significant systematic bias towards actors/actresses that usually get lead roles in Yoruba films in comparison to their English counterparts. Category:Yoruba actresses has 83 articles, Category:Acressess in Yoruba cinema has 49 articles, Category:Yoruba actors has 96 articles, Category:Male actors in Yoruba cinema has 58 articles. The numbers seem like a good representation to me. I also went through the articles in the categories and most of those listed became noble virtue of their contribution to Yoruba cinema. If this was a Yoruba film article then your reasoning would have been appropriate, but this is a BLP!
I Googled Ifejafunmi, and the only result I got were interviews on Ogunnowo, nothing on the film. Not even an imdb page.
I'm glad you stated that Yoruba industry has been getting attention since late 2000, according to the article, Ogunnowo first movie was in 2009, however 2016-present where shown to be her most significant moments, so she is a 21st-century actress, not a 20th-century actress.
One of the reasons why i dedicate so much time to create articles on the most notable Nigerian film awards some years ago was to give the indigenous content in the industry a structure on WP, and to buttress arguments at AFDs. The Africa Magic you speak about was developed mainly by me. Some years ago, I wanted to create an article on Yoruba Movie Academy Awards, I did extensive online research but found out the organizers were not seroius about holding a standard film award ceremony. And I was proved correct because the ceremony has not been held in a long while. Same can be said about City People Awards, but I decided to create that because they have been consistent fora long time, albeit substandard. I do not agree with you that Yoruba cinema have no avenue to win major awards, AMVCA have a category specifically designed for Yoruba actors/actresses/films, I remember creating an article for Jumoke Odetola through this. Other standard and consistent award ceremonies with categories for Yoruba cinema is AMAA and BON Awards, every other award ceremony at the moment can't confer notability on their own.
The issue of her tribal mark limiting her getting film roles is something interesting and encyclopedic
If you think there is under-representation of Yoruba films on Wikipedia, which is obviously stating the obvious, you can start by creating article for them. Articles are written by people, so far I know active Nigerian editors are still few here, the ones here are not interested in writing on Yoruba films, if you decide to start I will assist in wikifying them. The standard for keeping film articles is not as high as BLP.
I created Papa Ajasco article too, her role is not significant.
We can work together to improve Yoruba fim articles, once you get one reliable source discussing and an imdb page, I think it can be created.
My stance on this article at this time remain unchanged
Regards.HandsomeBoy (talk) 12:41, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is an IMDB page * Bimbola Ogunowo like I said earlier on the article on main space, she is popularly known as "Bimbo Ogunowo" and here is a reliable source Punch.--Timi422 (talk) 13:49, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In addition the movie she co-wrote has an IMDB, "Èbúté"IMDB a drama played by Toyin Adegbola, Femi Adebayo and many more.--Timi422 (talk) 14:00, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Mahveotm (talk) 12:17, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Mahveotm (talk) 12:17, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. Mahveotm (talk) 12:17, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lourdes 20:16, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination, and given that few have ever heard of this actress in America, let alone her home country of Nigeria, there is no reason to keep this at all. Redditaddict69 (talk) 06:30, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and salt. In a world-wide encyclopedia, it's not material if few in America have heard about her. What is important is she passes notability guidelines such as WP:NACTOR, which she does not. Ifnord (talk) 13:04, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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