Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdülaziz Bayındır

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The result was delete. slakr^\ talk / 03:17, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Abdülaziz Bayındır[edit]

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As an Istanbul scholar, he would seem notable but I'm not entirely sure of that and the best I found was this, this, this, this (this one seems to be simply mirrors) and this so I hope this can get familiar attention. Notifying the only users albeit not currently active Kavas and RookTaker. SwisterTwister talk 05:45, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 05:49, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete when I last looked into this individual I struggled to find much that indicated notability. RookTaker (talk) 11:29, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have no way of evaluating his notability on way or another. DGG ( talk ) 19:07, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 16:51, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The Mufti of Istanbul is the leading Islamic scholar in that city. We have multiple sources that show he held that title. We may well need help from people fluent in Turkish to find better sources, but it is clear that Bayindir is notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:41, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I believe that you are mistaken regarding the definition of a Mufti. More than one Mufti can exist in a location (as opposed to a Grand Mufti) . Examples in the United Kingdom include Mufti Muhammad Ibn Adam al-Kawthari, Mufti Zubair Butt, Mufti Mohammed Sajaad, Mufti Barkatullah etc... Whilst these individuals are all Mufti's this doesn't necessarily imply that they are notable (in fact none of them seem to exist on Wikipedia). All it proves is that they have the qualifications to issue Islamic legal opinions. The links in the Bayandir article state that "Professor Abdul Aziz Bayandir(ph) is a former mufti of Istanbul". This sounds to me as though he is one of many former Muftis. I don't believe that this in itself proves notability (whereas the current Grand Mufti of Istanbul is Rahmi Yaran who probably should be on Wikipedia). RookTaker (talk) 19:19, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —UY Scuti ^Talk 18:34, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In reaction to the comment above by RookTaker: Turkey itself no longer uses the title of Grand Mufti; Rahmi Yaran is simply the Mufti of Istanbul (İstanbul Müftüsü). Apparently, this is of insufficient importance to earn him an article in the Turkish Wikipedia. His predecessor, Mustafa Çağrıcı, also has no article in Turkish. (In the English Wikipedia Çağrıcı is said to be "currently mufti of Istanbul", although his appointment ended on 28 October 2011, see Milliyet article "Reformcu İstanbul Müftüsü alındı".) As far as I can see, Abdülaziz Bayındır was assistant at the Istanbul Mufti office for one year, a position that by itself would most definitely not confer notability and justify an article. His article on the Turkish Wikipedia also provides no other evidence of notability in the sense we require here. --Lambiam 00:16, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. clearly not sufficient from the references, and I think the interpretation of Mufti above makes sense. DGG ( talk ) 20:33, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - as per nom and above editors, nothing in the search engines shows they meet notability criteria. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:17, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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