Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aayush Sharma (2nd nomination)

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The result was redirect to Loveyatri. Missvain (talk) 23:58, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Aayush Sharma[edit]

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I couldn't find anything helpful that would help the article meet GNG. The subject also fails WP:NACTOR. ─ The Aafī on Mobile ^{^(talk)} 20:29, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. ─ The Aafī on Mobile ^{^(talk)} 20:29, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. ─ The Aafī on Mobile ^{^(talk)} 20:29, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ Redirect to Loveyatri. (Edit: following the discussion below, I'm persuaded that the subject does not meet WP:NACTOR.) I approved this draft article from AfC after careful consideration. Here were my reasons:
- Technical reasons: I think this article crosses WP:NACTOR. The first section of WP:NACTOR covers individuals who have had significant roles in multiple notable productions. At the last AfD, the subject had none. Since then, he has been the lead actor (significant role) in a major film and (multiple) a major music video (titled Manjha, a Google search of which yields at least 4 independent news publications discussing it) (notable productions).
- In the next year, he will appear in another notable film titled Guns of North. Caveating that WP:Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, I think it is not worthwhile to delete the article right now, even if one isn't convinced that he hasn't yet crossed the notability threshold, because he will clearly and uncontroversially cross it in less than a year. This is different from the position in 2018, when the subject was to be in a single major upcoming production, since a single production doesn't cross WP:NACTOR.
- Non-technical reasons: I accept that he doesn't meet WP:GNG independently. He is, in fact, discussed in the tabloid media plenty, but his notability is inherited from his wife and brother-in-law. That said, it was an important consideration to me that a large number of people will search for his profile looking to find out who he is and it would be a shame if Wikipedia couldn't aid with that.
- For these reasons, I think this article has a place on Wikipedia. I appreciate the annoyance that it may have been created before for self-promotional reasons, but I think that deleting it now would be a subversion of the notability rules, a disservice to Wikipedia's readers, and an unproductive formality. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 02:02, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - That would make still a case that the subject is not individually notable, and notability is not inherited. As Ab207 commented below "the subject doesn't have significant roles in multiple notable films", and thus doesn't pass WP:NACTOR, and GNG is very far. ─ The Aafī on Mobile ^{^(talk)} 08:58, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - AafiOnMobile, Ab207's analysis is incorrect because they have omitted to mention the music video Manjha; that makes two productions. I've tried to explain as clearly as I can in my first point why he fulfils each requirement in WP:NACTOR. I also understand that one cannot justify a Wikipedia article on the basis of inherited notability. My argument was to use it as a reason for erring in his favour if he only narrowly meets the notability requirements. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 09:20, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      - @Kohlrabi Pickle: Music videos don't contribute to actor's notability, because they typically have no acting involved. Also, except for Salman Khan praising Sharma and Saiee Manjrekar, I haven't found any reliable sources that can establish the song's notability. -- Ab207 (talk) 13:08, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        @Ab207: But that's surely not the case here – his role in the music video is as an actor. I've focused on the notability of the music video rather than the song, and I've seen a few sources refer to it and the actors in it: [1], [2], [3], [4]. Admittedly, they're tabloid sources, but I figured that that's the kind of publication that gives attention to music videos. It's also received 43 million views on YouTube. I know that doesn't make it notable automatically, but maybe the combination of the two (a large number of views and attention from entertainment desks of newspapers) does. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 14:44, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        @Kohlrabi Pickle: I wonder what kind of acting skills one could show in a music video of 4 minutes. Unless reliable sources provide critical commentary on the subject's acting in the video production, it doesn't contribute to WP:NACTOR. -- Ab207 (talk) 15:37, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        @Ab207: How do you know that actors need reliable sources to provide critical commentary on their acting before the production can contribute to WP:NACTOR? That is new to me, and certainly it is not intuitive from the guideline. If that is the standard, then WP:NACTOR is nugatory, because that would fulfil WP:GNG outright. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 16:02, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Kohlrabi Pickle: That is exactly the point of NACTOR. When reliable sources provide some insight into the subject's acting skills, we'll have something to write about them without involving in original research. Without that, the article becomes nothing but a mirror of IMDB. In any case, the above references which are mostly press releases, do not aid in the song's notability, so there's no need to dwell on it. -- Ab207 (talk) 16:19, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ab207: But how do you know? The words of NACTOR don't say that at all. In fact, they explicitly only require a significant role in multiple notable productions. That is different from requiring critical commentary on the subject's acting skills. Press releases are statements to the press, not by the press. None of those are press releases. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 16:54, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kohlrabi Pickle, The keyword here is significant, which can only be judged by the coverage in reliable sources. Secondly, those sources which say the first look is out/song is out are WP:ROUTINE which have no bearing on notability. Ab207 (talk) 17:05, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ab207 We don't need a source to tell us that a lead actor's role = "significant", but perhaps you were referring to "notable" instead. That would make sense, provided that the coverage required is significant rather than critical commentary on acting skills. I take your point on the sources being routine and therefore not bearing on notability. I was not familiar with that. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 17:31, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kohlrabi Pickle, We agree on something finally. Glad having a discussion with you, Cheers! -- Ab207 (talk) 17:43, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ab207, likewise! I've withdrawn my objection to the deletion. Thank you for engaging and see you around. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 01:47, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Loveyatri: The subject clearly does not pass WP:NACTOR with a single notable film, considering Guns of North hasn't even begun filming. The article can wait until the subject becomes notable. -- Ab207 (talk) 06:40, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Loveyatri- Only one notable acting credit so fails NACTOR. Coverage around the music video is routine and doesn't contribute towards establishing his notability as an actor, imv. Sunshine1191 (talk) 01:21, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I think this article should remain on wikipedia. Ayush Sharma is not a megastar, however, he will find enough work in Indian Film Industry (bollywood) to be noteworthy. He has done one mainstream lead role in film Loveyatri already. OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 01:31, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Loveyatri. Does not meet either WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR, and given the article's history, protect the redirect so that the article cannot be recreated without admin approval.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:47, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.