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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 15:42, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Aaron William Benjamin[edit]

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Non-notable under-19 cricketer, fails WP:CRIN inclusion guidelines. The article verges on self-promotion and makes odd claims, such as playing first-class cricket (he hasn't) and holding some form of fast bowling record for the most wickets in a season – 21 – so he's only 283 behind Tich Freeman! StickyWicket (talk) 18:21, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. StickyWicket (talk) 18:21, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. StickyWicket (talk) 18:21, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Arab Emirates-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:27, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete non-notable youth cricketer, no sign that he comes close to passing GNG. Spike 'em (talk) 18:50, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The references of Aaron William Benjamin for playing Under 19 cricket is given in the article (ESPN cric info), which was inclusion from BCCI. And 'holding some form of fast bowling record for the most wickets in a season – 21' is been removed due to lack of references. Following links are the proof for playing Under 19 cricket for United Arab Emirates. https://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/1161039.html

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8616/scorecard/1160916/afghanistan-under-19s-vs-united-arab-emirates-under-19s-group-a-asian-cricket-council-under-19s-asia-cup-2018-19

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8616/scorecard/1160920/india-under-19s-vs-united-arab-emirates-under-19s-group-a-asian-cricket-council-under-19s-asia-cup-2018-19 --nmudesk 06:12, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

  • Delete per above. One of many thousands of youth and development team players in the world that we don't have articles on. This article amounts to a personal vanity blog. Acabashi (talk) 10:14, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Acabashi Sir, Please note, this is not a personal vanity blog. And also he is not just a youth and development team player. All the authorized references on ESPNcricinfo are included with the permission of International Cricket Council. Please refer the referral links in the article from ESPNcricinfo, Gulf News and Khaleej Times. Also seeking your most valuable guidance to update this article. --nmudesk 12:27, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment but he is only a youth and development player. He is recorded as playing four under-19 matches for UAE in 2018/19. Not sure what you mean by permission from the ICC, we are an open encyclopedia for cricket, covering the major forms of cricket and those associated with it, or are otherwise historically notable. StickyWicket (talk) 15:13, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Shubhang Hegde Yashasvi Jaiswal Akash Singh Kartik Tyagi Tilak Varma. Why Aaron William Benjamin is not allowed? ESPNcrickinfo includes the approved profiles or scorecards from ICC or any National Cricket board. --nmudesk 17:53, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment. Because they have all played matches which have first-class, List A or Twenty20 status. Or as WP:CRIN says, “has appeared as a player or umpire in at least one cricket match that is judged by a substantial secondary source to have been played at the highest international or domestic level”. Matches judged not to have been played at the highest level are here. StickyWicket (talk) 19:39, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply StickyWicket Sir, Aaron William Benjamin has played three first-class matches in Bukhatir league. The first is against “Noor al Yemen” and the second is against “ANIB on top” and the third is "Defenders CC". UAE development XI vs Noor al Yemen [1], UAE development XI vs ANIB on top [2] and UAE development vs Defenders cc [3]. Hope this helps to improve this article. I request you to kindly suggest improvements with your great experience and expertise in this field. Thanks. --nmudesk 06:24, 19 August 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmudesk (talk • contribs)
These are not first-class matches. Spike 'em (talk) 07:46, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. First-class matches are multi-day (Bukhatir League seems one-day), multi-innings matches. At present only the 12 full members of the ICC have domestic matches with first-class status, the UAE isn't one of these 12. StickyWicket (talk) 09:48, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • And they are not List A games (which would confer CRIN-based notability) either. Spike 'em (talk) 10:22, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very strong delete - it is possible for under-19 cricketers to be notable, but you've got to have multiple in-depth sources and, frankly, be really, really good. He's not in that ball-park. Given the obviously promotional nature of the article, I'd also suggest that there needs to be a really close eye kept on it with the possibility of salting considered. Blue Square Thing (talk) 18:09, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply Blue Square Thing According to you the information on ESPNcricinfo and CricHQ is wrong?

Genuine publications like Gulf News, Khaleej Times are salting? None of the above have suggested any improvements. So according to you information on ESPNcricinfo, Gulf News and Khaleej Times are wrong? I think none on you have visited these reference links. --nmudesk 04:49, 20 August 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmudesk (talk • contribs)

  • No, you're wrong - I visited every link that's on the page and read everything I could access (the Sunday Times article doesn't seem to be accessible to me). I also checked for other sources first, per WP:BEFORE. I know what I'm doing at AfD: this article is full of puff, many of the sources are press releases reworked as "articles" or are simply passing mentions or scorecards. The player isn't notable yet. One of the sources in The National made me think for a moment, and perhaps if he'd played under-19 world cup cricket or so on I might have considered that the article had some merit. But he hasn't and is a long way off the sort of notability that we should be looking for for an under-19 player. Blue Square Thing (talk) 06:55, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For additional context see this old AfD. Page and Healy were both miles more notable than this chap. Although perhaps less good at self-promotion. Blue Square Thing (talk) 10:44, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
All I can see from cricinfo is that he has played some U19s matches, which are not enough to confer notability. Crichq is a user generated website (anyone can add scorecards on there), and we have had cases before of people linking to made-up matches on there. Even assuming the matches are real, they are not of a high enough standard to confer notability either. At present the subject is nothing more than a promising youth player. If he goes on to play top-level cricket we can revisit the article then. Spike 'em (talk) 09:10, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply Many thanks all legends for spending your valuable time for the conversation. Just wanted to know is there any way to include this page in "Under 19" Emirati Cricketer category?. --nmudesk 05:35, 24 August 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmudesk (talk • contribs)
We don't categorize under-19 players. We do nationality of the cricketer, followed by major domestic team or teams played for. Take Shahid Afridi as an example. StickyWicket (talk) 11:55, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: No evidence of meeting the GNG, no valid argument to keep the article, and if he fails the altogether-too-loose criteria of WP:CRIN, the subject is far short of anything notable. Ravenswing 04:43, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: no sign that he comes close to passing GNG.--35FD Let's Talk! :) 🍁 12:39, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
  1. ^ https://www.crichq.com/matches/737271/match_info
  2. ^ https://www.crichq.com/matches/737788/match_info
  3. ^ https://www.crichq.com/matches/738426/match_info
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