Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aaron Kemmer

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. While the participants are evenly divided, I'm more persuaded by the opinions and experience of those advocating Delete while almost all of those editors suggesting we keep this article are inexperienced, have low edit counts and don't seem to understand SIGCOV. The article creator has a version of this piece in their sandbox but if they would like to work on this article in Draft space, let me know. But be aware that a swift move back to main space will result in a second article deletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:39, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aaron Kemmer[edit]

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Appears promotional for a non-notable businessman, nothing found in Gnews or other sources. Google only returns his personal website and various social media accounts. Discussed technology in various sources, nothing talking about him as a person. Also created by a SPA with no edits outside of this article. Oaktree b (talk) 02:49, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and Spaceflight. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:16, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I just searched Gnews and lot of articles are coming up. Including articles recently in the last few weeks. Check it out: https://news.google.com/search?q=%22aaron%20kemmer%22&hl=en-PH&gl=PH&ceid=PH%3Aen. Maybe some of the recent news articles should be included on the page? Not sure why it would be deleted...

Also, I just did a check, I also don't see any social media links or links to personal websites, or promoting anything really. Can you point to where those are?

I think we could clean this up though and update it more.Mollymiller (talk) 13:01, 22 December 2022 (UTC) Mollymiller (talk) 03:45, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I’m kind of confused on the reasoning for deletion… did you get a chance to check the reference links?

Just researched this more and it looks like Aaron's accomplishments meet WP:CORP criteria and fits the guidelines of WP:NBUSINESSPERSON and related rules on companies.

https://getmagic.com/blog/the-present-and-future-of-work-magic-on-at-your-doorstep/

https://www.madeinspace.com/

This also meets WP:BIO for being recognized to lead the first program with NASA for the first manufacturing device used in space.

https://www.issnationallab.org/implementation-partners/made-in-space/

https://techcrunch.com/2020/09/22/made-in-space-is-sending-the-first-ceramic-manufacturing-facility-in-space-to-the-iss-next-week/

He also created several companies like Magic, which a quick WP:GTEST shows several pieces on.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Magic+inc&rlz=1C1UEAD_enPH994PH994&oq=Magic+inc&aqs=chrome..69i57j46i433i512j46i131i433i512j69i65j69i60l2j69i65j69i61.3610j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

https://www.google.com/search?q=Lab+At+Home&rlz=1C1UEAD_enPH994PH994&ei=vVOkY6vmBMPR-Qa4j6iYDQ&ved=0ahUKEwjruP_1oo38AhXDaN4KHbgHCtMQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=Lab+At+Home&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzIECAAQRzIECAAQRzIECAAQRzIECAAQRzIECAAQRzIECAAQRzIECAAQRzIECAAQR0oECEEYAEoECEYYAFDgCljlDGDmDmgAcAJ4AIABAIgBAJIBAJgBAKABAcgBCMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Last month it looks like Aaron judged the Miss Earth international beauty pageant, hitting WP:LASTING criteria as the pageant is a long-running and reputable organization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Earth_2022

https://www.philstar.com/entertainment/2022/11/30/2227522/korea-wins-miss-earth-2022-philippines-top-20

I actually found some stuff that’s not there and maybe should be included on the page- It looks like there's a new article about Aaron producing an AI film out (I just found that was written today. I don’t know much about the topic so I don’t feel comfortable adding it myself), but it seems to hit WP:ANYBIO requirement:

https://news.abs-cbn.com/life/12/22/22/watch-this-short-film-was-directed-and-written-by-ai

https://entertainment.inquirer.net/477117/the-safe-zone-the-first-film-written-and-directed-by-artificial-intelligence

Also, it looks like he went to University of Florida and was listed as one of The 20 Most Notable University of Florida Alumni in Business which meets WP:GNG guidelines.

https://moneyinc.com/most-notable-university-of-florida-alumni-in-business/

I suggest editing the article to keep it updated rather than deleting. Maybe we clean it up instead?

Here are some other references I found on some quick Google searches:

https://news.google.com/search?q=%22aaron+kemmer%22

https://push.abs-cbn.com/2022/12/21/fresh-scoops/richard-juan-produces-short-film-directed-by-ai-10-204507

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2015/01/05/30-under-30-reinventing-manufacturing-in-a-greener-tech-savvier-world/

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/space/first-3-d-printer-space-makes-its-first-object-spare-n255516

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/sep/29/nasa-prepares-launch-3d-printer-space

https://www.universetoday.com/112548/3-d-printer-to-fly-to-space-in-august-sooner-than-planned/

~~~~ Mollymiller (talk) 14:11, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Some/most of those aren't about him, but about stuff he's been involved with. There are no stories about him as a person. Oaktree b (talk) 04:06, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar 06:36, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning delete per the sheer stretch needed to wring notability from these sparse mentions. BD2412 T 21:52, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning keep I am very inclined to believe that the person in question is notable largely due to the fact that the person is mentioned so often. Granted that yes, I would want to see more depth in terms of mentions, but I would imagine the person would have to be notable given the available sources and that it's not unusual to write an article through piecing together information from various sources. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 03:23, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Everything I can find is about the technology, not the person, and in some of the sources here he isn't mentioned. There is an article for Made In Space which I think is sufficient for the topic. Lamona (talk) 17:29, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:39, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I'm checking the links and finding specific pieces with Aaron, such as the first thing that popped up my news feed:

https://www.cnnphilippines.com/videos/2022/12/26/Richard-Juan-and-Aaron-Kemmer---The-Source.html

https://moneyinc.com/most-notable-university-of-florida-alumni-in-business/

It seems people are just focused on the Made In Space part, which is understandable since a lot of the older links focus on that, but I'm finding stuff focused on Aaron when I do quick searching around. Prizms08 (talk) 13:13, 4 January 2023 (UTC)— Prizms08 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

One of those is a single paragraph, the other is an interview. Interviews are not third-party sources. The former does not provide enough biographical information for an article. Lamona (talk) 14:23, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:09, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Just as an aside, I'm not stating this as a potential discussion closer, but being a beauty pageant judge does not help establish anyone's notability. I think it actually might cause readers to take this biography less seriously. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:15, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think being a beauty pageant judge is just one of the factors that leans towards notability. The pageant industry has a very large fan base and has been part of so many countries culture for centuries. In fact, there are 54 WP pages in the International beauty pageants category alone. Mollymiller (talk) 13:49, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: - In agreement to Sky Harbor. The subject's involvement in various projects and organizations that continuously makes an impact in technology, entrepreneurship and his recent involvement in the field of arts/cinema should weigh greatly in keeping a separate article for him.

Also, WP:WHYCITE enables users to verify information on WP through citations and references. On that note, I would rather acknowledge someone being mentioned in more than 10 references from different sources than just one dedicated reference with nothing to cross reference it with. Technically, Aaron Kemmer meets both.

Improve the article - Yes, Delete - No! Gillianreyesv (talk) 14:36, 9 January 2023 (UTC)— Gillianreyesv (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Hello, Gillianreyesv,

This is your first and only edit. How did you find your way to this AFD discussion? Do you edit with any other accounts? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:14, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The coverage is very weak in the form of either interviews or passing mentions, and is always in the context of the companies he co-founded, whereas the notability is not WP:INHERITED. I did some cleanup on the article that was promotional with obvious WP:COI issues. Seeing multiple users that are voting in this AfD but have little no editing experiences is also very suspicious and something that should be noted during the closure. In fact, Mollymiller/Prizms08/Gillianreyesv all started their vote in a same way (Keep: with blank spacing). I was unable to find significant coverage in reliable sources, fails WP:BIO. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 19:00, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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