Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/7th Muslim Brigade

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. A cleanup effort should be tried and the results will be informative in any future AfD. — Scientizzle 23:30, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

7th Muslim Brigade[edit]

A couple of problems with this article:

It claims to be about the "7th Muslim Brigade", a former unit of the Bosnian Army (ABiH) that has now been disolved, while it is really about the Bosnian Mujahideen (which, oddly, the intro says it's not).
WP:OR as the article is based on interpretation of primary sources not references of secondary sources
WP:POV and WP:COATRACK as the article is used as a partisan commentary on the nature of the Bosnian War
WP:SPS as one of the main sources is a self-published article by a little-known person on a Bosniak nationalist/Islamist website.

I wish I could say that the article should be kept and rewritten to actually cover the 7th Muslim Brigade. However, until such an article is written, I strike that this article be deleted. [A more detailed description of my issues with the article are available on the Talk page] Osli73 (talk) 16:38, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep and cleanup~~ notable topic, despite the problematic treatment here. Severe problems with POV - this article could have been lifted verbatim off a Bosniak-nationalist website, as it treats contentious partisan claims as fact and veers into coatrack territory when discussing the other two sides. Sourcing to ICTY is problematic in some cases, as the citations often do not verify the text. However, ultimately the 7th Brigade deserves to have an article, and there is some good information here. Many of the "factual" statements could be rephrased as Bosniak POV and balanced with competing claims from other sources. <eleland/talkedits> 17:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Changing vote to Delete and replace now that i've taken a closer look through it. There is actually no information here about 7th Brigade beyond "Brigade in ARBiH, fought during the 1992-95 Bosnian War, over 1,000 local soldiers, part of the 3rd corps of the Bosnian Army." Literally everything else is about foreign volunteers, Serb/Croat propaganda related to foreign volunteers, Serb/Croat propaganda not related to foreign volunteers... it's an awful mess. <eleland/talkedits> 18:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletions. —FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 19:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:COATRACK or possibly move content to an article about Islamic volunteers in the Bosnian War, which is what most of the content is about, although problematic in terms of POV. --Dhartung | Talk 23:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Osli73 (the user who nominated the article) is user with the long block log, who vandalised Wikipedia so many times. He wrote Bosnian Mujahideen article because he didn't like 7th Muslim Brigade which covers the topic (the second one is with the offical name, the first one is with the name fabricated by Osli73). His Bosnian Mujahideen article is now mediated as you can see here Talk:Bosnian Mujahideen, and probably it will be redirected to 7th Muslim Brigade. Regarding the sources, they are relaible per WP:RS (International court verdicts), so Osli73 is wrong when he tried to deceive other user once more. The Dragon of Bosnia (talk) 09:41, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There are plenty of secondary sources about mujahideen in the Bosnian war. Your article currently states that — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eleland (talk • contribs) 18:11, 12 December 2007

Besides the POV writing, the twin problem here is that (1) this article is quite clear in that it is "not" about the Bosnian Mujahideen but then goes on to only (2) talk about the Bosnian Mujahideen. I would have no problem with this article if it were truly about the 7th Muslim Brigade. However, the problem is that it mainly deals with the Mujahideen and Serbian and Croatian propaganda related to that. That's why I suggest deleting it for now. If someone wants to write a proper article about the 7th, I'm all for it.Osli73 (talk) 18:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The brigade was a Bosniak Mujahideen brigade (a self-titled "Muslim Liberation Brigade") of the Bosnian Army and should therefore be included in the Bosnian Mujahideen article (if certain editors will allow). --Hereward77 (talk) 18:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and clean-up. The 7th Muslim Brigade obviously existed and there is something to be written about it through legitimate sources - I don't see what the problem is here. The excess information people are complaining about can simply be moved over to "the role of foreign fighters in the Bosnian war" - problem solved. Live Forever (talk) 00:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, This article needs some serious attention, large sections needs to be weeded out, but deletion is not the answer. The Islamic volunteers were recruited into the ABiH, and were given BiH citizenships. Since they became BiH citizens, perhaps it has been possible to retrospecitvely claim that they were not 'foreigners'. --Soman (talk) 11:49, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per above. Grandy Grandy (talk) 20:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.