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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge both to Tha Carter III. You Ain't Got Nuthin wasn't properly tagged for AFD, but I'm invoking IAR per unanimous AFD consensus. :) --PeaceNT (talk) 03:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

3 Peat (song)[edit]

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Non-notable single, has not charted on an airplay chart (Mediabase 24/7, BDS, etc), per the typical standard for notability of singles (Hot 100 is largely digital and traditional sales based). Winger84 (talk) 17:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Added 3 other songs with the same kind of dispute. Esanchez(Talk 2 me or Sign here) 00:13, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep: "has not charted on an airplay chart…per the typical standard for notability of singles". Per the typical standard for notability of singles, actually any "national or significant music charts" meets the criteria. Please follow the actual guideline when making presumed factual statements. In addition:

  1. The song is actually not a single. Notice how the word "single" is nowhere mentioned in the article. Not all songs are singles.
  2. The Billboard Hot 100 is actually a created through a combination of airplay and sales chart. Hence the Hot 100 Airplay, the Hot 100 Singles Sales and the Hot Digital Songs. Do U(knome)? yes...or no 18:46, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
However, the record has not "charted," that is, it has not reached a position of #40 or better. --Winger84 (talk) 18:54, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's the "Hot 100"…anyway, who says that "charted" means "reached a position of #40 or better"? I'm pretty sure that to chart only means "to appear on a hit-recording chart". Do U(knome)? yes...or no 19:06, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's not original research, actually. It's a common sense term and definition used in the music industry. Ask any artist, record rep, radio station music director or program director (such as myself) what a song must achieve to "chart" and to a person they'll reply "the top 40." --Winger84 (talk) 19:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Common sense would be that on an English encyclopedia we use words according to their definition in an English vocabulary, not the one "used in the music industry" because "any artist, record rep, radio station music director or program director" would say so.[citation needed] If you don't like the terminology, go complain about it at WT:MUSIC, as this really isn't the place to do so. Till then, please try to debate according to Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and not the alleged-music-industry's ones.Do U(knome)? yes...or no 20:13, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Yes, it charted. However, it's not an official single of the album. --Esanchez(Talk 2 me or Sign here) 22:28, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, under that rationale, Redirect might be the proper vote? Just a suggestion, not intended to undermine you. --Winger84 (talk) 22:44, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Please read WP:MUSIC#Songs. Being a single is not a requirement for notability. Do U(knome)? yes...or no 22:46, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge all to the albums. These songs did chart, but there doesn't seem to be too much else to say about them. Just charting doesn't make a song inherently notable, otherwise every song in existence would have a page. Given the lack of sources right now, I feel that they should be merged, because they can always be split off again should more info crop up. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 00:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'll also agree to a merge. --Winger84 (talk) 14:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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