Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/21 (basketball)

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The result was Keep. This could also possibly be merged to "variations of", but the article is such a big fat mess that I wouldn't even know where to begin. The "delete" proponents basically all say IDONTKNOWIT, or "unsourced". ~~Has anyone even looked for sources? I see no evidence.~~ <INSERT Apologies, Zagalejo looked for sources END INSERT> I will add a cleanup tag to the article, and work on it myself a bit. Anyone else is welcome to help find sources. I will renominate this myself if I can't find any of the sources that "surely can be found". Keeper ǀ 76 19:19, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

21 (basketball)[edit]

Wikipedia is NOT for games made up one day on the Basketball court. non-notable, unreferenced, uncategorized, fails WP:V, and there is original research. Tavix (talk) 17:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless an editor can find any reliable sources in order to satisfy WP:V and WP:N, both of which this article currently fails to satisfy.Wiw8 (talk) 18:05, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete- Fails WP:V, WP:N and probably fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE as well. Reyk _YO! 22:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 22:26, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment 21 is not something that was "just made up". It's one of the most common forms of pickup basketball [1]. That said, 21 is already mentioned here. Zagalejo^^^ 22:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect there then. Reyk _YO! 22:59, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Variations of basketball. I was going to say "weak keep", since it's one of the more well known playground games, but I don't think anyone is going to add sources. The article was created back in '05, when sourcing was optional and original research was punished with a mean set of curly-brackets. Since then, the edits seem to have been more OR, based on, "the way we played it, we had this rule that..." I can see where the nominator would conclude that this is yet another "game made up in a day", because the article operates on the assumption that the reader has already heard of this, which is the wrong approach to an encyclopedia. Mandsford (talk) 00:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And that is where I was going with it, thanks for elaborating. Tavix (talk) 03:06, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete What is the article about? Raymond "Giggs" K o 09:56, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
We'd tell you, but since you've already made up your mind to "delete", why bother? There may be another person who says "keep" without looking at the article, so it all evens out. Mandsford (talk) 14:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are you a deletionist? When deciding whether to keep or delete it, you should have an understanding about what the article is about or not participate at all.

It could be a profound Dadaist commentary on the state of the article. Protonk (talk) 15:52, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - it is a reasonably well known variation basketball for two people. -- Whpq (talk) 20:56, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or Keep. At least in the U.S., it's an extremely common term for an informal basketball game. WP:IDONTKNOWIT is not WP:MADEUP. Squidfryerchef (talk) 06:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, definitely a well-known game, sources surely exist. Everyking (talk) 08:40, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for lack of third-party sources establishing verifiability and notability. Biruitorul ^Talk 04:27, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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