Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023 IFK Norrköping season/Matches

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Article moved to User space‎. Editor bypassed this AFD process and moved this article in the midst of an AFD deletion discussion. It would be preferable, in the future, for page creators to come to an AFD and request this outcome but the deed's been done so I'm closing this discussion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:18, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023 IFK Norrköping season/Matches[edit]

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Contested PROD.

My rationale As far as I am aware, we don't split the matches from the season article unless there are issues with the article length for the parent article. Looking at 2023 IFK Norrköping season, I can't see how that would be the case. That article is way shorter than any of the season articles at WP:FA, such as 1994–95 Gillingham F.C. season, so I see no reason for this split. Also, the current content duplicates what is already in the parent article.

Contested with I am asking to keep this page because the acticle contains 30 games, and each game conatains multiple lines, therefore it is a headache to update a single match, while when it is outside the article, we may use subtitles and therefore subsections, which help find the right match easier. Thanks.

The fact that the season contains 30 games is not sufficient for a split imho. Every Premier League team plays 38 league games and several cup games a season and we never split the matches out. I have consulted WP:SIZESPLIT for guidance and, at 20KB, the article 2023 IFK Norrköping season does not meet criteria for a split based on size and I don't see any other valid reason. If consensus is that we do indeed need to split the matches into a separate article then I think that this will have repercussions for most if not all season articles moving forward. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:30, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football and Sweden. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:30, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:32, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well maybe it is time to start splitting these articles. Mind for example 2022–23 UEFA Champions League where each Group was separated. It does make life so much easier to use separate page for template-base articles, especially when one needs to update half-season-back (April-August) on realtime. If there's a possibility to keep it that way, or maybe even make it the new Standard for a 2023 world, why not? Anderssøn79 🦔 (talk) 🦔 💛💙 13:40, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - based on text like "This subpage is intended to make edits easier. After each match played, please update the following tags:", this seems to be some sort of weird sandbox thing (in article space) rather than a genuine attempt to split the article? As per the nom, I can see no rational reason to split the list of matches from a season out into a "subpage"...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:31, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good point! I would have no objection to the content being moved to, say, User:Anderssøn79/sandbox/2023 IFK Norrköping season or similar but just don't see the need for it in mainspace. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:43, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I am not persuaded that a split is necessary, nor that it is desirable. This article cannot be a list per se, nor can it be an article. I appreciate the creating editor's intentions, but we have no requirement for the implementation. I am further concerned that it is a "Mainspace Sandbox" with request to use templates that do not belong in articles. It has no references. It is a WP:POVFORK, and fails WP:MOS and WP:V. WP:N is only passed if part of the parent article on the team. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or move to userspace if the user wants it. We don't have separate articles for matches, not a valid WP:SPLIT. And this looks like a sandbox article (with how-to instructions), not an encyclopedic article. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:56, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hey folk. I moved it to my Userspace. You may want to delete 2023 IFK Norrköping season/Matches (as now it is not used anymore). I moved the matches list back to its section inside 2023 IFK Norrköping season#Matches. Hope now it is better. Please notify me if there's anything else I should have done. Thanks. Anderssøn79 🦔 (talk) 🦔 💛💙 10:22, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This has now become a mess. Anderssøn79 has moved it to their sandbox, one of the possible putcomes of this discussion, and has removed the AfD notice, limiting potential discussion. Regardless of what takes plave in their sandbox I suggest:

That this be allowed to reach a conclusion and a formal closure regardless ofthe location of the user sandbox
That a non involved admin (in view of the mess I do not believe non admin closure to be appropriate) considers early closure, simply to seek to prevent any further mess. This might be an IAR closure.

I thinh the editor moved the aerticle in good faith being unaware of the conventions of AfD — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timtrent (talk • contribs)

Disagree, it's perfectly fine for the user to move this to their userspace, and thus close the AFD. It's unnecessarily bureaucractic to demand that this AFD runs 7 days. There is a consensus for it not to be in article space, and it isn't anymore. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:47, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Timtrent @Spiderone @Joseph2302. I'm not sure what I did wrong, so I will let you do whatever needed and won't touch it until further notice. Please let me know whenever it's all done. Anderssøn79 🦔 (talk) 🦔 💛💙 10:55, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I am happy with a procedural close - article is no longer in mainspace but I have no issue with it being in sandbox space. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:34, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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