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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 08:11, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2021 Uppsala suicide incident[edit]

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Fails WP:NOTNEWS. A tragic event, but no lasting coverage or enduring notability for this unusual but minor incident ("minor" for everyone but the directly involved, just like e.g. thousands of car crashes every day). Got some international attention when it happened due to the combination of "unusual" and "Abba", but such human interest articles come and go swiftly. Fram (talk) 14:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom; there isn't even any lasting local coverage. I think the article creator is a sockpuppet (am creating an SPI report) so it may even be speediable. --bonadea contributions talk 14:51, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Sad incident since the guy at the bottom died as well, but it is not even close to meeting WP:GNG. It's difficult even finding Swedish language coverage. Curbon7 (talk) 19:34, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, per nom. Tragic incident, but a tragic incident among a daily sea of similar tragic accidents. /Julle (talk) 21:34, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Plenty of coverage around the world.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:26, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • None of it WP:SUSTAINED though, which is the reason for the deletion nomination. That it was reported on internationally was already in the deletion statement... Fram (talk) 11:37, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comments like It's difficult even finding Swedish language coverage would suggest editors believe otherwise, hence my clarification. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:44, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 11:28, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Please tell me, what crime would that be? Show some decency please. Fram (talk) 11:37, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • He killed somebody else by his selfishness. Had he survived he may well have been charged with a crime. And deletion sorting is purely intended to make those who may be interested in a particular subject area aware of relevant AfDs. So your comment is frankly bizarre. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:43, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • Okay, I get it, no decency at all then. Fram (talk) 11:51, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • This is an encyclopaedia. If you want to emote I suggest you move to social media instead, which would be a better fit. What possible problem is there with putting an AfD in a location where it is likely to be spotted by possible contributors to the discussion? -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:37, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
            • Of course, "crime" people will be so much better at establishing notability for this non-crime recent events story than anyone else. But I'll try to remember that your definition of an encyclopedia is "a place to call some old man who may have committed suicide "selfish" for no good reason, without consideration for who might read this, just because". I hope you feel good about yourself after these priceless contributions which have made this AfD and enwiki so much better, good job. Fram (talk) 16:21, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
              • I'm sure the family of the person he killed and the person he injured don't feel he was selfish in the slightest... If you want to kill yourself then jumping onto a crowd of people is hardly the best way to do it. Presumably you also believe that someone who drinks because they're depressed, gets in their car and kills somebody or who stabs somebody to death while undergoing a psychotic episode is not a criminal either; I think you'll find the courts would disagree! Being suicidal, depressed, mentally ill or whatever does not abrogate you of all responsibility for the effects of your actions on other people. But we digress. Never before have I seen an editor attacked for adding an AfD to a deletion sorting page thus facilitating its wider exposure. Utterly ludicrous overreaction. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:43, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
                • Actually, in civilized countries, being mentally ill, psychotic, ... often does mean that you are not a criminal according to law, courts, and people with some empathy. But you don't seem to understand that believing that this is not the place nor the time to discuss the guilt, selfishness, ... of the person who fell or jumped, and that doing so is very insensitive, is not the same as saying that the family of the victims may not feel that way or that we mean the opposite. Sometimes, you just need to know when to shut up and show compassion. Fram (talk) 16:53, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
                • Oh well, I see that you are not really the go-to administrator when one wants to have reasoned, adult conversations instead of divisiveness[9], so I shouldn't be too surprised about your behaviour in this AfD (see also your extreme helpfullness in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Makhtumkala). Fram (talk) 17:00, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have no strong opinion on the moral discussion or how this conversation should be sorted but if anyone's interested the crime would, according to the police investigation, be "grovt vållande av annans död", which roughly translates to "first-degree involuntary manslaughter". Source: Sverige Radio P4 Uppland. /Julle (talk) 20:17, 23 December 2021 (UTC))[reply]
  • Delete NOT NEWS. But the situation calls for neither joking nor irony. DGG ( talk ) 17:44, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This subject meets the criteria for being in an encyclopedia. There is plenty of coverage so I think it should be kept. There are plenty of Wikipedia articles that include more or less celebrity gossip and other things that are not suitable for an encyclopedia.Tanumena (talk) 12:31, 25 December 2021 (UTC)— Tanumena (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. — Tanumena (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Linde Place (talk · contribs). [reply]
  • Delete Wikipedia isn't a news outlet. Sure this has gotten some coverage in the moment, but suicides like this one often do, and I doubt it will get any kind of long-term sustained coverage once it dies down as a topic. Everything about it is literally from this month and the end of November. It's not like the article can't be recreated if there continues to be coverage of it in a few months or whatever. In the meantime, I think this also goes against Wikipedia not being a repository of basic facts. A single sentence about the "Incident" is extremely WP:MILL. --Adamant1 (talk) 14:46, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per policy; also, has failed to gather sufficient, lasting, third-party independent WP:SIGCOV to warrant an article. ——Serial 13:46, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete It is very obvious that this is WP:NOTNEWS and there is no more media coverage about it. All sources are from the days after it happened. Also, the author is banned since they have disrupted Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Linde Place. Drierlodge (talk) 18:38, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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