Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2013–14 Turkish Basketball League

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Spartaz ^Humbug! 21:48, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2013–14 Turkish Basketball League[edit]

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Article reads as propaganda for one team Alans1977 (talk) 15:07, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:36, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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"Articles about notable games should have well-sourced prose, not merely a list of stats. Regular season games in professional and college leagues are not inherently notable." WP:SPORTSEVENT Alans1977 (talk) 01:19, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Since nominating the article, the nominators seems to have removed from the article the content which prompted the nomination. What is left is an article very similar to at least a dozen other season articles on the same league. If this article is deleted and the rest stay in existence, it seems quite likely that the article will be recreated with something close to its present content. And on balance, there seems to be an imperfect consensus that such articles are allowed provided the league is highly notable. Therefore, either this article needs to be kept, or there needs to be a discussion on all the season articles, or a fairly strong reason needs to be given why the season under discussion should be regarded as less notable than a dozen previous ones. PWilkinson (talk) 21:45, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I have also nominated all the rest for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2014–15_Turkish_Basketball_League. You'll have to excuse me. This is the first time I've ever nominated anything for deletion. If I were to have done it all correctly I would of had it all on one page the first go. Alans1977 (talk) 11:33, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Better course is to repair the article rather than delete. —C.Fred (talk) 18:41, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing to repair. It's simply a collection of stats. Could easily be incorporated into Turkish Basketball Championship along with the rest of the season articles. Alans1977 (talk) 11:22, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Very stupid question, and I forgive me I don't know as I've been here for a long time, but is WP:NOT a valid deletion rationale? I notice it's #14 (the very last) item at WP:DEL#REASON but it reads like "everything else we haven't said" which isn't very convincing at all. –H T D 23:25, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For me it comes down to notability WP:NOPAGE. Each of the season pages (The ones that aren't empty templates) are just stats. They could easily be merged into Turkish Basketball Championship. As per WP:SPORTSEVENT regular season games by themselves are not inherently notable. Alans1977 (talk) 08:32, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, but it seems the articles' scope includes playoffs too. Either way, I see WP:NOT#STATS as more as a call for clean-up and not deletion, TBH. As for other sections in WP:NOT, perhaps deletion is a good reason, but in this regard it isn't. –H T D 12:28, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I see these article as more in need of merging than saving. As far as I can tell all of these seasons could easily merge into Turkish Basketball Championship. There is nothing notable of them by them selves. Alans1977 (talk) 12:51, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Season articles of top-flight sports leagues are generally notable by themselves. This is more like adding prose than "merging" or "deleting". You can't possibly "merge" into one article all of these seasons. It'll be a reasoning for a WP:SPLIT. –H T D 15:14, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly are you suggesting to be merged, anyway? –H T D 15:23, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, but rework. Howard the Duck is right in that seasons of top-flight sports leagues are themselves notable. Most of the top European basketball leagues have season articles, at least for recent years. See, for example, Spain, Italy, Greece, France, Lithuania, and Israel. — Dale Arnett (talk) 18:36, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, this article is notable of course like I said that for 2014–15 Turkish Basketball League. Turkish Basketball League is a major league in Europe, important league for basketball fans also. They need seasons articles like this. Like Dale Arnett said, most of the European major leagues have season articles, and including same templates and same contents. So your reasons and suggestions are meaningless. These articles could improve and repair with good resources, but can't delete. JoeyFredy (talk) 15:47, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.