Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2008–14 Irish protests

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The result was no consensus. slakr^\ talk / 10:04, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2008–14 Irish protests[edit]

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Protests have taken place in Ireland since the foundation of the state and will continue after the austerity measures end. This article (thinly veiled list? ) includes items about industrial relations and student fee protest all which happened before and will continue into the future austerity measures or not. There seems to be no inclusion criteria and I don't think one is possible , when does this article end October and the non austere budget? When the national debt is paid off?

My second issue is these protests are called a series of demonstrations but they lack any unified leadership , aims or goals. Apart from some having similar root cause they seem to be independent of each other. There seems to be a agenda to link these all together

In summary WP:IINFO and WP:NPOV Gnevin (talk) 09:59, 3 October 2014 (UTC) Gnevin (talk) 09:59, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as a record - the common theme is anti-austerity but I see Anti-austerity protests needs improving. Keep as a minor part of history.PatrickGuinness (talk) 16:13, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, various protests over a period of time connected by WP:OR. Some of the article which is well sourced already has thier own articles, this isa form coatracking. Murry1975 (talk) 16:25, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This just a rather random list of protest, not an organised series of protests. The Banner talk 18:46, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:GNG. Every country has its share of random anti-something protests. "2008–14 Irish protests" as a topic has had no significant coverage in reliable sources. Scolaire (talk) 19:12, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Listify and prune (renaming to something like List of protests in Ireland in 2008-14) - I think this could work as a list of protests, removing all suggestions that they're "an organised series of protests" (which as Banner says isn't true, above). There are 2008–14 Irish financial crisis and 2008–14 Irish banking crisis which I figure this was supposed to be a complement to, so why don't we just make it a fork or even merge this in to whichever is more appropriate? ansh666 21:22, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm going to go ahead and make this a formal keep !vote (the irony). Of course, the concerns above still stand. ansh666 06:06, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I agree, a state is bankrupted and it affects different people in different ways; the protests may have been sporadic and incoherent but they were a response. (20 years ago we would have said the same about the Roman Catholic Church sexual abuse scandal in Ireland). Otherwise the conclusion is that a financial disaster hit and nobody minded at all. It should be kept and improved. It's not a subject I'm expert on.PatrickGuinness (talk) 12:50, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This article was created when the protests in Ireland were a coherent phenomenon, and maintained as they very gradually became less coherent. The logical thing to do with this is to split it into several articles on the various protests that have occurred since 2008, not delete it. I imagine the only reason such a scenario is not explicitly mentioned in WP:ATD is that editors are assumed to have enough common sense to refrain from deleting a large article that has been maintained for years and whose notability was not questioned in that time. --Sammy1339 (talk) 00:43, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per User:Sammy1339 and maybe listify and prune per User:Ansh666 (whose vote seemingly should be interpreted as Keep). --doncram 02:53, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- It's a bit more complicated than that. I didn't read through the other two articles I mentioned the existence of clearly enough to figure out if it could or should be merged, and the article is in a form of proseline already, so "listify" is a mere formatting formality. I guess it should be interpreted as "don't delete" - not necessarily keep. ansh666 03:01, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Listify and prune per Ansh666. They are not all a connected series of protests as implied by the current article. Snappy (talk) 16:57, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Honest question here. If they aren't connected how would they be in the same list and not be a indiscriminate list of protests? Gnevin (talk) 08:49, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

They are connected: they are protests that took place in Ireland during this time period - and the majority of them are related to the two articles I mentioned above. For what "indiscriminate" actually means and how it's applied, see WP:INDISCRIMINATE (part of WP:NOT) and WP:DISCRIMINATE (a complementary essay). ansh666 06:10, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Provisional Keep, enough to hive off sub-articles on any notable protests into their own separate articles, then either listify this into a list of notable protests in Ireland generally, or redirect it somewhere harmless so that the history is maintained. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 02:34, 12 October 2014 (UTC).[reply]
Keep Considering the great number of these thruout history, how can they possibly be covered except by dividing up by period? The only question is where there is a logical cutoff, but in the absence of one, an arbitrary one may be necessary. There's enough of an argument abve to make it clear that the starting date is at least logical. It may need further division, but that's another matter. DGG ( talk ) 05:54, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Several "anti-austerity" protests, unrelated to student protests, unrelated to farmers protests, unrelated to strikes, unrelated to public servants' marches, unrelated to water charges marches... This seems to be an arbitrary (why start in 2008? Is the article name going to change every year?) list of protests and actions, some of which will always happen (student and farmer protests have been happening all my life!) and which have nothing in common here except, possibly, money being an issue. Otherwise why not include the pro-choice marches and vigils? The pro-life marches and vigils? The marriage equality and Pride marches? The Gaza solidarity marches? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:34, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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