Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1994–1996

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Randykitty (talk) 12:26, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

1994–1996[edit]

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This subject is a "best of" comilation album of songs by the Estonian rock band Smilers. Unfortunately, the album itself does not pass WP:NALBUMS (or GNG), which requires that there be independent reliable sources that discuss the album in reasonable detail. I have checked the usual sources and have not been able to locate any. The band is certainly notable, and many of the individual songs on the album may be notable, but it does not look as if the album itself is notable. An alternative to deletion would include a merger into the Smilers article. Blueboar (talk) 12:16, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - a quick Google Book check immediately showed that the period 1994-1996 for Smilers is covered in Enno Tammer 10 aastat uut Eesti Tänapäev, 2001 "Üheksakümnendate lõpus nautis suurimat tähelepanu Smilers, hinnatud kontsertartistid ... 1994.-1996. aastal algas Tallinnas aga tõeline ööklubide buum, avati Piraat (Pirital TOP-i hoones, eriti populaarne teismeliste hulgas), Hollywood ...". No reason to assume the period being notable in the band's career the album wasn't covered in other reliable Estonian music press sources which we don't have access to. Further compilation albums generally provide a useful service among album articles on en.wp. For bands which we don't document every single album (i.e. prior to 2005, or European/Asian/Latin bands) compilations sum up the bands' more notable activity. I am also not clear User:Blueboar why you have selected an Estonian album for AFD rather than the many British and American albums with less notability and sourcing than this one? In ictu oculi (talk) 14:58, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Estonia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:43, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Again, this isn't about whether the Smilers are notable, but whether the album itself is notable, per WP:NALBUMS. A passing reference to the album, in a source that is primarily about the band does not establish notability of the album. What is needed are sources (an yes non-english sources will do) that talk in some depth about the album itself. I looked, but I could not find anything, but if someone else can, that would be wonderful. We should never assume sources exist... we need to know sources exist (and preferably use them in the article).

As to why I "chose" this album... I didn't, it chose me. I don't normally work on music related articles. I came across this one due to the RM about its title. When I realized that it did not have proper sourcing, and could not find sources to fix the problem... I decided to send it to AfD. As for the fact that there may be other articles that are in worse shape... well, "Other stuff shouldn't exist" is just as poor an argument as "Other stuff exists". Blueboar (talk) 12:06, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:43, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The album seems to fail WP:GNG. Articles about albums (and songs, and bands) that really have no clear indication of distinct notability should just be deleted (or merged into other articles, such as an article about the band in this case). One or two sources isn't really enough, and a passing mention really isn't enough. If we won't be able to produce and maintain a substantial high-quality article about a topic, we just shouldn't have a separate article about it. —BarrelProof (talk) 04:37, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the article is only three sentences long (plus a list of the song titles on the album). It doesn't provide any in-depth information about the album – it only says who the band was that produced it and says that the album is a collection of songs that had been previously released in Finland. There is no critique of the music, no mention of historical significance, no mention of chart performance, and no indication that anyone ever wrote any real commentary about the album. The body of the article is shorter than this comment. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:12, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:03, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar ♔ 21:24, 5 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The album just hasn't proven to be notable. Period. Done deal. We can safely ignore In ictu oculi's OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument, although if he thinks there are plenty of British and American album articles that ought to be AfDed ... what's stopping him? Nha Trang 20:36, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.