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The result was delete‎. Thank you for the source review. Liz Read! Talk! 07:26, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Non notable band, does not meet WP:BAND under any of the criteria. Almost completely unsourced with one of the oldest extant "citation needed" tags on Wikipedia. Tagged for notability for 4 years. Note that in the first nomination for deletion in 2007 some newspaper reviews were found, but these are WP:PRIMARY and not WP:SUSTAINED. Thus these do not demonstrate notability. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:36, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Well, none of the sources given in the prior AfD are still active websites, either giving 404 links, or the domain no longer existing... One redirects to a link to download Real Player (which makes me feel old...) Further !vote to come below. Oaktree b (talk) 16:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep Given the time they were active, all mentions appear in paper sources. I can't access most of them given my location and Google's limiting access but [1], [2] and [3] mention them. This seems to talk about their last performance in 1998 [4]. Again, I can only see snippets of these sources, but they appear enough to at least confirm basic info about the group. Oaktree b (talk) 16:43, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 18:24, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per WP:NBAND and WP:MILL. One of hundreds, if not thousands, of punk bands from the 1990s. I lived through that period. Bearian (talk) 15:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Bearian there are, in fact, thousands of punk acts which meet WP:BAND, even if many more do not. I find this argument confusing. Mach61 (talk) 18:20, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We would have to evaluate the sources. Can someone with expertise do so? Bearian (talk) 20:03, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. It would be great if someone could respond to the request for a source analysis but it sounds like at least some are unavailable online.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:09, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - Sources Three sources are presented, these are Fuse Magazine, Volumes 28-29[5], The Grunge Diaries[6], Rebels on the Air: An Alternative History of Radio in America[7]
In The Grunge Diaries this band are mentioned as playing songs on certain dates. The mentions are passing and no information is given at all except the song title, with the exception of this one:

“Wednesday, March 17.

Industrial three-piece Tchkung! make their debut with a spontaneous showing at the Lake Union’s St. Patrick’s Day festivities. They will follow up with a more conventional outing at the Oddfellows Hall, although “convention” is not a word the musicians seem familiar with.”

This is not significant coverage.
In Rebels on the Air: An Alternative History of Radio in America We have this single mention:

In 1994, Pearl Jam paid fellow Seattle rocker James Lane (of Tchkung!, among other bands) to build a micro station mobile enough to bring on tour. After some initial problems [...] the band had a transmitter in hand. “After showing Eddie how small I could actually make the thing,” Lane recalls, “it suddenly dawned on us that we could put the thing in a van and do the whole tour punk-rock style.” And so they did, dubbing themselves Monkey Wrench Radio and broadcasting their concerts.

Clearly this is about James Lane and amateur radio, not the band. It is passing for the band, and it is not even certain here that "the band" in the piece refers to this band. It probably does, but it is still passing. It is not significant coverage.
I cannot track down a copy of Fuse magazine online or through any of my library services, so I am unable to comment on that one. It is certainly possible that the magazine contains a write up of the band that would be significant and independent, potentially in a reliable source. It would need to be secondary, and potentially it could be. But at the moment we don't know one way or the other. The other two sources, being passing, should give pause here. Even if it did contain such a write up, that would be one source, and we need multiple sources to demonstrate notability. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:46, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, I missed one. HONK!: A Street Band Renaissance of Music and Activism[8]. This has a write up starting at page 225. It begins with:

For years, I had been in a collective that orbited around ¡TchKung! – a Seattle band of about 9 people, with an oscillating 10–30 others of us who did auxiliary percussion, fire performance, guerrilla theater, welding, lighting, graphic design, printing detectably-counterfeit money, butoh dancing, and whatever else had to get done to mount bombastic, radically-immersive, often-illegal shows.

Although there are about two pages of this, it is not independent. This is memoir, and the author is telling us about it because they were a part of it. Sources must be independent to count towards notability. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:53, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: User:Sirfurboy's analysis of sources demonstrates nothing has been presented or applied which meets the standard of direct detailing by reliable sources independent of the subject. BusterD (talk) 19:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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