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Institute of Directors in New Zealand

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Declined prod. The 2 provided sources are its own website. A search for sources in google news does not yield any SIGCOV in the page of results. Fails WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 23:08, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Taipa-Mangonui

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This is a non-notable census tract. The actual places have their own article. BLAR was contested. One well sourced sentence is merged into Mangonui so the article would need to be redirected there for attribution if consensus is to not keep the article. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:45, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose. There were originally four separate settlements, but for the most part their history is shared. They have since become a near-continuous strip, which if it was a single settlement would be the fourth-largest town in the Far North District. I have merged information on marae to the individual settlements, and also the schools, although on reflection the schools actually might be more appropriate in this article as their enrollment comes from the wider area. I attempted to merge history after Traumnovelle's BLAR but that compromise was rejected.-Gadfium (talk) 21:04, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Gadfium. Grutness...wha? 01:55, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete I only see a couple sources which discuss these places as a group called Taipa-Mangonui, and they already have their own individual articles. The census tract is even named differently. Willing to be swayed if someone can show this micro-conurbation is discussed as a conurbation. SportingFlyer T·C 03:22, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Who the 'Ell Is Tauriel?

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I do not believe this article meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. This article should be deleted or merged into Tauriel. TheSwamphen (talk) 21:17, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Cielquiparle (talk) 19:27, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bulldogs Allstar Goodtime Band

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Fails WP:GNG per WP:BEFORE. Deprodded for no reason at all. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 11:38, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Technical pass on WP:MUSICBIO, two songs in the top 5 of a national chart, confirmed by secondary sources. Furthermore a ProQuest search identifies a number of results with coverage of this band, and there's also a sigcov bio on Audioculture. ResonantDis_tortion 13:35, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't seems to be reliable at all. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 13:53, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's a WP article for AudioCulture. The website appears to be a non-profit government-funded resource, partnered with the NZ national library, and the article on the Bulldogs Allstar Goodtime Band is under a byline of one of their named writers: Glen Moffat. ResonantDis_tortion 14:06, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just because it has the article, it doesn't mean they're reliable (New York Post has an article but is considered unreliable). Okay, it seems kinda. But is there any source that you can add aside from that? Surely that one is not enough. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 14:13, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, a quick check on TWL and there is sigcov in the Dominion Post, from 2013, and in 2015. These both confirm the charting and provide evidence on the cultural placing of the subject within NZ musical history. Given the band were mostly active >50 years ago, failed to top the NZ singles chart solely due to being pipped to the post by David Bowie, played the Great Ngaruawahia Music Festival along with Black Sabbath, and beat one of NZ's biggest musical exports in a televised music contest, it is not unreasonable to presume further sources do exist. ResonantDis_tortion 16:29, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Further coverage, confirming a Gold record, here in the Wanganui Chronicle. The NZ Music Awards also confirms a significant award: in 1974. The subject meets WP:MUSICBIO #1, #2, #3, #8, and #9. ResonantDis_tortion 08:38, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - there seems to be good coverage available. I'd be happy to do some work on the article. Their two main songs are iconic in NZ. Blackballnz (talk) 08:11, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes several criteria of WP:NMUSIC as detailed in this discussion as confirmed in multiple reliable sources, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:20, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:20, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ebony (band)

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Fails WP:GNG per WP:BEFORE. Deprodded last year without any reason at all. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 11:37, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Per this secondary source, confirmed the group Ebony meets both WP:MUSICBIO#2 - national charting, and WP:MUSICBIO#3 - gold certified record. There is a sigcov profile of the band here, and there is evidence of sustained coverage through this 2024 article providing historical commentary of the impact of the group on the New Zealand political discourse from the 1970s. As such, there is encyclopedic value here that should be retained and expanded, though if a better target exists I'd be amenable to changing my !vote. ResonantDis_tortion 07:59, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I cannot access the source mentioned above, but if it's reliable and secondary the page should may be saved. Also, Nzherald source mentions "which peaked in the NZ charts at No 4 at the beginning of 1974." --Old-AgedKid (talk) 13:41, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The first link, from the Waikato Times, can be accessed if you first login to Proquest via the Wikipedia Library. A quote from this article includes "In 1973 Don Wilson and Stefan Brown - of the duo Ebony - sat in their manager's house in Brooklyn and wrote Big Norm. It reached No4 in the charts and Ebony won a New Zealand music "Rata" award for group of the year". ResonantDis_tortion 15:01, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as passes WP:NMUSIC criteria 2 with charting on a national chart as confirmed in multiple reliable sources linked in this discussion, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:16, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Herman Mattson

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WP:BEFORE shows zero sources about this person; thus failing WP:GNG. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 11:46, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I'm not finding much about him. I note that Australian reports of the 1925 All Blacks matches often refer to him as "A. Mattson" - perhaps he used his middle name? The National Library of New Zealand has info that was a Bank officer with the National Bank of New Zealand, Auckland, and on the Executive Council of NZ Bank Officers' Guild in 1939. [1] (not that that would contribute to notability, but would round out a bio). In Papers Past, the NZ digitised newspapers, there are an article about an Alfred Mattson who was a champion dirt track rider selected for the Tourist Trophy Races on the Isle of Man in 1933 [2], and in 1935 a mention that Alfred Mattson held the NZ record for 500cc machines [3]. If that is the same person, perhaps some motor bike racing wins or records would add to his notability - someone may know or find more about that. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:35, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The motorcycle / speedway rider was Alf Mattson. Paora (talk) 01:49, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Doesnt seem to have significant coverage from WP:SIRS BTSfangir1 (talk) 11:08, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Thanks to Paora for the clarification about the motorcycle / speedway rider. I would say Redirect to the 1925 New Zealand rugby union tour of New South Wales, but none of the articles about All Blacks tours seem to have lists of the team members. Surely that would be useful information, and a way to avoid having articles about those who were not notable but still enable readers of WP to find information? There are plenty of sources which name the members of the teams. (I am not offering to add such lists. I note with interest that WP articles on All Blacks tours are very poorly referenced, and many have no in-line citations, nor do they have any tagging. It looks like the Rugby Union wikiproject has a lot of work to do!) RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:37, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep following expansion. Paora (talk) 12:48, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the expansion?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 12:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - While some of the references could still be improved, the article has been significantly expanded since it was nominated for deletion. I think there is enough here now to get the article over the line. TheSwamphen (talk) 20:33, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. None of the additional references constitute the required SIGCOV for GNG and SPORTSCRIT. 1, 6. NZ Rugby: governing org, not independent N. 2. Birth record: primary N. 3. Auckland Star: name in a list N. 4. Daily Telegraph: passing mention N. 5. The Sun: passing mention N. 7. Manawatu Standard: mentioned in routine play-by-play match recap, not SIGCOV or secondary N. 8. The Star: 1.5 sentences, nowhere near SIGCOV N. 9. Auckland Star: part of a sentence in routine injury report, not SIGCOV N. 10-13: more primary, non-independent sources N.
Just because it is possible to string out a healthy amount of prose from primary and non-independent sources (almost everything is cited to his governing sports organization, which is explicitly considered non-independent) does not mean the subject is actually notable. JoelleJay (talk) 21:33, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Te Kura Kaupapa Māori o Ngā Taonga Tūturu ki Tokomaru

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Only reliable coverage I can find is this: [4]

Don't see any other reliable SIGCOV of this school, PROD was contested. Traumnovelle (talk) 09:26, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment your original PROD nomination said that you found two independent sources - what happened to the other one? Turnagra (talk) 05:29, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[5] doesn't contribute anything to notability Traumnovelle (talk) 02:47, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Normally I'd agree with deletion or redirect, but school is notable as the first full-immersion Māori medium school in Te Tai Rāwhiti. Here is another source, the Te Karere story on the school's 30th anniversary [6]. Paora (talk) 11:13, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - multiple news agencies covered the school's anniversary, which along with its status as the first kura kaupapa in the region is more than enough to demonstrate notability IMO. Turnagra (talk) 21:27, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What other news agencies? Traumnovelle (talk) 21:44, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
TVNZ/Te Karere, as posted by Paora, in addition to Te Ao News posted by yourself. Turnagra (talk) 21:50, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I assumed multiple to mean more than two. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:52, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
multiple, (adj.) consisting of, including, or involving more than one. Turnagra (talk) 22:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Te Manawa (Westgate)

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Doesn't appear to meet GNG. The references are either non-independent or just passing coverage of the award but don't provide sigcov of the building itself. Traumnovelle (talk) 09:23, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I forgot to mention, I initially merged this into Westgate, New Zealand and if consensus is to not have a stand alone article it should be kept as a redirect for attribution. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:00, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Meets WP:NBUILDING by way of architectural significance, having won NZIA Auckland award for public architecture and silver award at the DINZ Best Awards. Paora (talk) 11:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
NBUILDING states: 'Buildings, including private residences, transportation facilities and commercial developments, may be notable as a result of their historic, social, economic, or architectural importance, but they require significant in-depth coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability.'

So winning an award doesn't matter. The only presumed/automatic notability is for buildings registered as a cultural/historic site and have protection. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:29, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:NBUILDING Vedicant (talk) 11:23, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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