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List of kosher supermarkets[edit]

List of kosher supermarkets (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This list should probably just be a category. It claims to be a list of notable kosher supermarkets, but in actuality we do not have articles on three of the entries. Our own article on H-E-B does not contain the word "kosher" and it's inclusion here is apparently based on one specific store having an extensive kosher section. That leaves two entries if we are actually limiting the list to notable kosher grocers. I believe simply having a category, which already exists and is on the two valid entries, is sufficient without a list article with no real criteria for being listed. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink and Judaism. Shellwood (talk) 18:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It seems like this list is full of WP:ADVERTISEMENTs bordering on WP:NOTADVERT. Conyo14 (talk) 18:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. As I recently commented elsewhere, I have serious doubts as to whether the subject 'kosher supermarket' is even independently notable. Isn't it just the intersection of the set 'places selling kosher food' with an exceedingly-ill-defined 'supermarket' set? We appear to have built a list around a Venn diagram. Anyway, WP:NOTDIRECTORY applies, and anyone looking for say a local supplier of kosher goods would do vastly better to use Google. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @AndyTheGrump Kosher markets are core to many Jewish communities, particularly Orthodox communities that are strictly shomer kashrut. The presence of a kosher market is almost as important as the presence of a synagogue. It isn't just a meaningless Venn overlap. It is culturally and religiously significant. If there isn't a list, there should still be an article. A kosher supermarket isn't merely a "place that sells kosher food"; you can find a kosher section in almost any major grocery store. Whereas a kosher supermarket certified by a local vaad, that is supervised by mashgichim, that closes from Friday evening to Saturday evening...is something quite specific and defining. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 05:00, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Nowhere in the list does it define 'kosher supermarket' in the terms that you describe. Properly sourced, an article on culturally and religiously significant, certified and supervised kosher-only stores would be absolutely appropriate (a list would be too long to be feasible, or useful), but that isn't the subject of this AfD. Instead, what we are discussing is a list of 'places that sell kosher food' that are described as (or call themselves) 'supermarkets'. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Absolutely a listcruft. Orientls (talk) 06:09, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment A kosher market is an important locus of Jewish communities, particularly Orthodox communities. I would argue that the kosher market is almost as important as the synagogue. At the very least, if not a list, there has to be an article on Kosher supermarkets. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 04:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think this might be the wrong terminology altogether. It's a blurry line to be sure, but I suspect most such outlets are grocery stores as opposed to supermarkets as their main focus is the sale of kosher foods. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 19:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, it's listcruft, simple as that. -Samoht27 (talk) 20:18, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom, and create a category (if at all) instead, and/or an article per Bohemian Baltimore. (Side note: interesting that no Israeli supermarkets are on the list, maybe they've not heard of this kosher thing...?) --DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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