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December 27

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 27, 2024.

Check Six

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 January 5#Check Six

Tu-166

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. Hog Farm Talk 22:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"166" is not mentioned at the target; not sure how plausible this redirect is. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Prison music

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. Hog Farm Talk 22:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The term "prison music" is ambiguous (music about prison, or music from prison?) and being sent to the category to which this redirect targets does not serve the user better than using Search for"Prison music". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Luxury homes

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Real estate. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 06:59, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Notwithstanding the lack of consensus on the closure of the last RfD of a group of redirects including this one, Luxury homes should have the same target as Luxury home per WP:PLURALPT ("the normal situation is that a plural redirects to its singular, or to wherever its singular redirects", so retarget it to Real estate. Redirects to category space are really not optimal for situations like this, especially when there's a singular version pointing somewhere else, and no reason to ignore the guideline. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pale Garden

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. The only proposed retargeting destination has been deleted at AFD. Hog Farm Talk 19:26, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The current redirect is the only remotely plausible one in the page history, else I would've probably deleted or draftified. But since it's not mentioned at the target, I'm not sure this works either. Thoughts? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:55, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as clean-up after a blocked disruptive editor. No prejudice against good-faith creation if someone actually thinks such a redirect would be beneficial (as opposed to a red link). --Paul_012 (talk) 08:19, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to List_of_Minecraft_characters#Creaking, where it is mentioned. Oppose deletion per WP:NOTBURO. Ca talk to me! 13:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC) Delete The article has been deleted. 07:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is an incredibly poor target, as it's only a passing mention that explains nothing about the term all. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:21, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The Pale Garden is a place added in the newest update of Minecraft, notable for featuring the newest monster creaking. I think the target provides information about whats the most notable about the place, which is the monster. Ca talk to me! 14:57, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • And I would have thought that the WP:NOTBURO argument would be in support of quickly deleting junk redirects resulting from pages created in bad faith instead of going through huge bureaucratic discussions to find accommodation for them. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:24, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Normally my argument would be same as your's, but since I believe the redirect should be kept, enforcing BURO would require pointlessly deletion and restoring/retargetting. Ca talk to me! 14:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair enough. I did say that there should be a redirect if someone thinks one would be beneficial, and since you do, I'm striking my above !vote. (Though I'm still not quite convinced that's an optimal target.) --Paul_012 (talk) 14:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as wikitrashing. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 04:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is a "wikitrashing"? Ca talk to me! 09:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The practice of inserting irrelevant and unnatural nonsense junk into wikis. It is also known as "wikilittering". 67.209.128.31 (talk) 17:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have never heard that term before, but I'm assuming that it's a synonym for WP:CRUFT User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:02, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The proposed target List of Minecraft characters is listed at AfD, and could be closed in a day.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 15:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • then delete (or return to red if you're feeling feisty) in absence of a good enough target. strong oppose restoring and sending to afd, as it was a pile of copyvios with no reliable sources in sight. i'm pretty sure canonni's reversions in the page history were 50% accidents lol. there's also every chance someone might be looking for something related to the pale king too, i guess consarn (formerly cogsan) 19:54, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Sarcenet

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an alternate spelling of "sarsenet", a type of silk fabric. unmentioned in the target, though there are mentions of both spellings in other articles (but only two incoming links), and it gets steady views, so maybe there's a more fitting target i'm missing? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 20:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the proposed target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 14:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

T Swift

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) Cremastra (u — c) 01:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PANDORA is strong with this one. To be more specific, since this is the only "[first-name-initial] [last-name]" redirect I know of, this might potentially lead readers into thinking there's more redirects like this one. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 14:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

...and the even more incorrect T swift is not red. -- Tavix (talk) 21:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per BugGhost, this is a popular-enough nickname for Taylor Swift. I disagree with ambiguous arguments because AFAICT it's not notably used for anyone else. -- Tavix (talk) 21:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Swift is the primary topic for "T Swift". Doesn't matter that if "T. Swift" or "T-Swift" or what have you is more common, this spelling is used in text and it's completely reasonable way to type it if you hear it. Tag with whatever rcats make sense and move on. PANDORA, which I'm not a fan of, isn't really against this because we've generally accepted having redirects from common nicknames to their most famous user. Skynxnex (talk) 21:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. "T Swift" is a commonly used nickname for Taylor, and is not ambiguous/also the primary topic among the Swifts whose name starts with T. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Utopes. J947 ‡ edits 22:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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2015 Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was No consensus * Pppery * it has begun... 22:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect redirect. Subject is better off with a red link. The Banner talk 04:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 13:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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"Musican" Redirects

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 22:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Prior consensus has shown these kinds of redirects should be deleted. + the "Felukah" redirect in particular was actually created by me as a page move, so counts towards a G7. Forgot about the whole "page move" clause, my bad
(Just to be clear, I wouldn't object musican if that was a redirect as THESE redirects and previously nominated ones clearly show that at least a FEW people would need to be helped by redirecting musican to the correctly spelled version)

(The Edward one in particular is especially bad as it also has an incorrect disambiguator format) User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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unmentioned suikoden characters (episode 2: j-l)

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re-nominating those after this discussion closed as "if only we knew the suffering that would befall us next", but only by a small chunk at a time. same rationale applies. also, kraze might be vague, but i'm a little iffy on it consarn (formerly cogsan) 12:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arab Democratic Republic

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 January 6#Arab Democratic Republic

Wikipedia:ED

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 January 7#Wikipedia:ED

Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm

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The result of the discussion was No consensus * Pppery * it has begun... 22:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can't find any evidence that the song was known by this version of the title. mwwv converse∫edits 14:51, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per 2A0E - if a user types this in then it is obvious where they are attempting to go. Redirects don't have to be 100% accurate, and often it is helpful when they aren't. No benefit of deleting - should be kept. BugGhost 🦗👻 09:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2021 ICC Champions Trophy

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Misleading redirect, as there was never planned to be a 2021 edition of the ICC Champions Trophy. As such, there is no information at target article about a 2021 edition. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Nightb***h

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) Cremastra (u — c) 02:42, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Book title is not censored and full name is Nightbitch. Wikipedia is also not censored. Blethering Scot 22:02, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom's statement. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 04:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
delete as implausible censoring. just say "b*tch" if you're that worried about the fuck words. of course, this means i'd consider "nightb*tch" to be a plausible redirect. don't you hate it when your stay at home wife sometimes transforms into a dog? that happened to my buddy eric once, and his week was ruined cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't consider "b***h" to be implausible though Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 11:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
it certainly is on the more niche side of censorings. maybe down there with "fu*k" and "a*s" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
fu*k has a redirect, so it's not really obscure Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:17, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ow my consonants cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Plausible censoring. Wikipedia is not censored, but a redirect is not content, it's a navigation aid. The fact that wikipedia is not censored doesn't mean our users necessarily know that, or that they won't self-censor themselves, or copy a search term from someone else who does. WP:CHEAP applies. Fieari (talk) 23:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Delete. We're not censored and shouldn't encourage any misguided notion that we'll de-censor self-censored search terms. If something's citeably referred to in censored fashion, that's different. The play Shopping and Fucking was frequently referred to in the media as "Shopping and F***ing", for example (e.g.), and that would be a legitimate redirect title. I'm kind of surprised that Shopping and F***ing doesn't already exist, now that I've looked for it.  — Hex • talk 16:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep redirecting a redacted version to the non-censored version is pretty much the opposite of censorship. I did a new simple google search for "Nightb***h" and found that the Daily Mail has used it in two video posts and three articles, so it's very possible someone will search Wikipedia for that exact title. Skynxnex (talk) 21:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep as currently unambiguous on Wikipedia per this wildcard search ... which was quite surprising, but it is what it is. Steel1943 (talk) 07:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Fieari. People who are citing NOTCENSORED are not grasping what's happening here - a user is typing in a word containing "b***h" and getting taken to an article with the word "bitch" - this is the opposite of censorship. This particular spelling is used online and unambigious - should be kept. BugGhost 🦗👻 09:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Transphobia in the US House of Representatives

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The result of the discussion was Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 22:47, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like this is a broader topic, a bit misleading to target it to a specific instance. JayCubby 19:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The bill is not called "Transphobia in the US House of Representatives" by any people. I agree with 35.139. Ca talk to me! 23:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to Transphobia in the United States, to the "Government actions" section if needed. In addition to the Private Spaces Act, it also mentions, In mid-July, the GOP in the US House of Representatives supported bills that would target transgender athletes with the "Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act" sponsored by Greg Steube. The mention of transphobia in the House in the broader Transphobia in the U.S. article makes the latter a valid redirect target. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rehabilitation (addiction)

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 January 4#Rehabilitation (addiction)

Neon cat

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 13:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No proof that "Neon cat" is used as a misspelling for Nyan Cat, I mostly find neon signs showcasing cats and a non-notable [Simulator] pet User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak redirect to Ray cat, which covers the concept of glowing cats. Second preference is delete. BugGhost 🦗👻 10:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirects to Antarctica and Arctic Ocean

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) Cremastra (u — c) 23:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Psycho CSL: Please expand your nomination rationale. Simply stating that something is "unnecessary" is not a valid reason for deletion. CycloneYoris talk! 08:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for merging those pages. I haven't deleted such a large number of pages at once before, so I didn't realize I needed to merge them. I'll be more careful next time. My reason for deletion was that if I search for a specific latitude, I'm more likely to want to know what's on that latitude, rather than being redirected to another article. I'm not very good at English, so I may not have been able to explain my thoughts well. For example, for latitudes 81°S to 89°S, I don't think I would want to be redirected to the same article every time I search for one. While I understand other perspectives, I still think having separate articles would be more user-friendly. But if everyone agrees to keep the redirects, I'm fine with that.--Psycho CSL (talk) 02:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After further thought, the more important point is that the Antarctica article doesn't actually cover information about those latitudes.--Psycho CSL (talk) 02:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jesus Christ, CSL, PLEASE bundle these kinds of RfDs next time.
Onto the actual vote itself, weak keep per WP:CHEAP and that Antarctica is indeed 89 degrees south on the latitude scale User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks cyclone for fixing the RFD listings. Psycho CSL if you need to nominate lots of RFD's again I'd recommend using massXFD, which makes bundling a lot quicker, and makes the resulting listing/notifications simpler. BugGhost 🦗👻 10:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all. 1) Wikipedia is not an atlas. While we may have articles about countries and things that you do find in an atlas, it's not meant to be a database dump of what countries cross what arbitrary lines of latitude/longitude. There's nothing inherently interesting about breaking up by integer values of degrees; this is a task more suited to a program that has geographic data and can convert any such line of longitude or latitude into such a list automatically. 2) Even if you want these for completeness, the ones we do have are part of a series, and these are not, so WP:REDYES applies. We shouldn't have these redirects to cover up the fact that these parts of the series don't exist. Furthermore, there's absolutely no reason why the series has to be complete at all. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:09, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, I forgot to add that these tend to be ambiguous. Why Arctic ocean and not Arctic ice sheet or simply Arctic? Similar concerns exist in the south. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The lines of latitude and longitude articles have been taken to AFD several times before and they've always been kept. This Redirects for Discussion page is not the appropriate place to discuss them, but feel free to raise them at AFD yet again if you must. In any case, there is nothing in WP:NOT that mentions atlases, and of course there are thousands of articles about geographical locations.
Regarding your comments about the Arctic ice sheet, this is not fixed in place, and (especially with the future effects of global warming) parts of the parallels might go over open ocean, thereby making a redirect to Arctic ice sheet not necessarily correct. The ice sheets are in the Arctic Ocean, so redirects to Arctic Ocean will always be correct, whether the parallels pass over ice or open water. I'm not sure what "similar concerns exist in the south" really means – these parallels are entirely on the continent of Antarctica. A redirect to Antarctica is therefore more precise than a link to Antarctic which covers seas that these parallels don't pass through. Bazonka (talk) 21:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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