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October 17[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 17, 2023.

Cuban reolution[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 25#Cuban reolution

Indian Empire[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 26#Indian Empire

Walter Hartwell "Walt" White[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was Speedy delete (WP:G5). Deleted by Ponyo in a mass deletion of the creator's pages as a sockpuppet. (non-admin closure) TartarTorte 01:11, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Hartwell "Walt" White → Walter White (Breaking Bad) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

People are not going to type the charater's full name and include the nickname after his given names in parenthesis prior to actually typing in his normal name. "Walt White" and "Walter Hartwell White" may qualify as redirects that are worthy to use, but there is no purpose in keeping this one. EytanMelech (talk) 16:46, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - none of these are reasons for deleting a redirect. It's unambiguous and directs to the correct target. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 18:05, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Ivanvector. There are numerous places where he is referred to as exactly this that someone may copy and paste. Thryduulf (talk) 19:47, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Beatles members[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 25#List of Beatles members

Pazza[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:26, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pazza → The Supernaturalist (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Perhaps this redirect has a purpose, but I cannot figure it out. The word is not mentioned on the destination page. Cavarrone 14:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: It's a food from the book, but it's not notable enough to include in the article as it's not a particularly important part of the book. It's more just a kind of funny food created for the book that's referenced a few times. TartarTorte 14:34, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It was last mentioned at the article in revision 747147066, where it is uncited (I guess it can just be sourced to the book as the description is accurate), but that was removed in the next edit with the entire section it was in "Places and things" with the rationale "wp:trivia". If others think that it should be included again and does it in a way that's less trivia/crufty, then I'll change to keep. TartarTorte 14:37, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per TatarTorte and nom. There are other uses of the word, but they're all partial title matches ("pazza" is Italian for "crazy"). Thryduulf (talk) 15:12, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Ambiguous, and confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:10, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Slyvo Spleethe (et al.)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted per G5. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 03:00, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Slyvo Spleethe → The Edge Chronicles#The Twig Trilogy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Screedius Tollinix → The Edge Chronicles#The Twig Trilogy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Screed Toe-taker → The Edge Chronicles#The Twig Trilogy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Screed Toe-Taker → The Edge Chronicles#The Twig Trilogy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Mother Horsefeather → The Edge Chronicles#The Twig Trilogy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Hubble the Banderbear → The Edge Chronicles#The Twig Trilogy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Mugbutt → The Edge Chronicles#The Twig Trilogy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unhelpful & misleading: the target doesn't tell the reader anything about the character. Edward-Woodrow • talk 19:57, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The article does list this character as appearing in this trilogy, which is something, but nothing more. I'm undecided whether this is a useful redirect. This comment also applies to the other undisambiguated names pointing to this target. Thryduulf (talk) 10:46, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: No longer the case, I have updated article's list with information on the character. And all the other characters too. 7even8eight (talk) 16:32, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: (Because these are all names of characters listed at the target page with the same qualifications and anchor, I have bundled the characters that Thryduulf's comment refers to.) Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:02, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 20:57, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 10:26, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep now that they are mentioned there, unless someone has some objection to mentioning them. SilverLocust 💬 10:10, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Red Bull X2010 (fictional Formula One car)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 07:12, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Red Bull X2010 (fictional Formula One car) → Red Bull X2010 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible search term. Overtly verbose. It's like we made a redirect like, say, Hogwarts (fictional school).Liam Plecak (talk) 09:54, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep' as a harmless {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}}. Thryduulf (talk) 10:04, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Overly descriptive. This has no use. No mainspace article uses this link (see here). - Manifestation (talk) 10:30, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:59, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - harmless; possible benefit of avoiding WP:LINKROT whereas there's not really any pressing need to delete. This was part of a series of botched and eventually reverted moves, from the page's original/current title through Red Bull X2010 (fictional Formula One car), Red Bull X2010 (fictional race car), and Red Bull's X2010. The article was at the first title for only 3 minutes, the second for around a month, and the last for a little over a week. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 18:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}} per WP:CHEAP. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 10:04, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Eden Prince[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:26, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Eden Prince → The Way I Am (Charlie Puth song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This musician has released a number of remixes of notable songs, and this redirect should be deleted to encourage article creation. Laun chba ller 09:24, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 07:44, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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As God As My Witness (Clipse album)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:27, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As God As My Witness (Clipse album) → Clipse (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

While I found coverage of Pusha T announcing this as a title for a new Clipse album back in 2013, there was never such an album released or even recorded and there is no reference to it in any article. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 08:51, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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2006 Dutch cabinet formation[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Third Balkenende cabinet#Formation. ✗plicit 23:27, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2006 Dutch cabinet formation → 2006–2007 Dutch cabinet formation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

As can be seen on the Dutch Wikipedia and other sources, there is a 2006-2007 cabinet formation and a 2006 cabinet formation. So this redirect is incorrect and should be removed Dajasj (talk) 07:58, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If that is the case then it should be retargeted where the 2006 cabinet formation is discussed. Do you have a target in mind? Otherwise, it seems fine to keep since this process started in 2006 after that year's election. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:42, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Third Balkenende cabinet#Formation: The Dutch cabinet that was formed in 2006 was the Third Balkenende cabinet, so the section at that article describing its formation seems like a good target. TartarTorte 12:25, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per nom Yoblyblob (talk) 13:53, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Third Balkenende cabinet#Formation per TartarTorte. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 10:03, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Not eating[edit]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. (non-admin closure) Edward-Woodrow • talk 22:39, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not eating → Fasting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Can also refer to starvation or a number of eating disorders. All three of these targets get ~equal pageviews, around 20k a month per. Fasting may be a logical target, but from my point of view its far from the only one. Looking at Special:PrefixIndex, redirects of this format (starting with "not ") are not often employed, and I feel it can be a similar situation to names such as "a human" or "a dog", possibly, in regards to their usefulness. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:36, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or disambig. This is a very plausible search term for someone looking for the target article but who cannot remember the name of it. I think it less likely that someone will use this search term when searching for a symptom (be that of eating disorders or illness) or the effects of not eating (e.g. starvation), and there are links to the latter from the fasting article. I'm not sure what would go on a dab page, a list of medical conditions for which not eating is a symptom would be contrary to WP:NOT (and someone should not be using Wikipedia to diagnose an illness, the NHS (and presumably other heath providers) have websites designed for this purpose). I'm going to alert the WT:MED folks about this discussion as while it's not only a medical issue, they might have some useful ideas. Thryduulf (talk) 09:25, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Disambig, adding Anorexia (symptom) to the list of things that could be included at such a page. Little pob (talk) 10:37, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I think it's quite plausible that individuals are not familiar with the concept of fasting (despite its religious links); so I think the link is useful.

Talpedia 13:33, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or disambiguate?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:56, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate with some at Eating disorder#Classification. NotAGenious (talk) 10:15, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate. As a wiki editor since years back, I can see myself searching this if I were to somehow forget the name for any reason for not eating (of which there are a few possible ones). List fasting and any blameable eating disorders. Glades12 (talk) 19:21, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dabify per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:17, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hiroshima massacre[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) Edward-Woodrow • talk 21:01, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hiroshima massacre → Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki#Hiroshima (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Non-neutral redirect. Although Google Scholar, JSTOR etc. do provide evidence of sporadic usage of the term, it is far too limited to suggest it is a commonly used way to refer to the event. Loafiewa (talk) 07:17, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per nom. Pointy POV redirect, unlikely to be searched by a reader or used by an editor.

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 17:31, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Describing the atomic bombing of Hiroshima as a massacre is entirely a neutral point of view for most definitions of 'massacre'. That would extend to any bombings on civilians/civilian infrastructure regardless of the perpetrator. However, the phrase 'Hiroshima massacre' is essentially unused in literature (I got six results in google scholar). Other bombings in WW2 are also not described as massacres as far as I saw, so this does not seem uncommon. The usefulness of the redirect is questionable, but I also see no harm in keeping it. ― Synpath 16:40, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Keep per WP:RNEUTRAL - redirects are not required to follow NPOV when a term has documented usage, which this does (not much, but not much isn't none), and when we're not inventing the term. This is unambiguous, and the redirect has also been around for 12 years and does see occasional use. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 18:48, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Ivanvector. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:48, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as this name is used in multiple sources (something even the nom admits) and doesn't commonly refer to anything else. Redirects don't need to be neutral when their titles are widely used elsewhere. Glades12 (talk) 06:32, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep likely search term Yoblyblob (talk) 13:53, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Big Donut[edit]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate as it is more helpful to the reader. (WP:ATD) (non-admin closure) Edward-Woodrow • talk 22:43, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Big Donut → Mario Kart 64 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

A Mario Kart 64 track not listed at the target article. (No results for "big", and no results for "donut" either). Google searching this term only gives results for... big donuts. Unnecessary and confusing without context, this is not the Mario wiki. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:08, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. WP:GAMECRUFT frowns upon listing off of level names, and I can't think of much of a reason to otherwise include this name. Sergecross73 msg me 13:11, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete much more likely to refer to the various real-life landmarks, the donut industry, or several donut chains with large donut logos on their buildings. -- 65.92.244.127 (talk) 04:06, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete; not mentioned at target and too ambiguous to justify a redirect. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs)
Retarget to Randy's Donuts#History as "Big Donut" seems to be a defunct chain in which the bakery used to be part of for a few decades. "Big Donut" is mentioned as a fictional shop in List of Steven Universe characters#Lars and Sadie, and another shop named "The Big Donut" is briefly referenced (but not directly mentioned) at List of characters in the Zootopia franchise#Fru Fru. I'm more inclined for it to redirect to the real chain. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 16:14, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
However, I wouldn't be opposed if the redirect was turned into a disambiguation page with links to Randy's Donuts and the list of Steven Universe characters (the Zootopia list contains virtually no info about the store). It's still better than deletion. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 17:49, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For consideration of the rather late retargeting (or disambiguating) proposal.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:44, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation would be acceptable -- 65.92.244.127 (talk) 09:01, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate. This is a bit of an offbeat search term and could possibly have multiple targets as described by ObserveOwl above. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 01:34, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Death Stare[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 25#Death Stare

ST3 Telkom[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 25#ST3 Telkom

🫗[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 7#🫗

Carijó[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was retarget to Paranaguá#Early settlement. Also retargeted the similar Carijós as suggested below. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 06:49, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Carijó → Guaraní people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Retarget to Paranaguá or add some relevant content in the Guaraní people article (and remove the {{R from alternative language}} tag from the redirect). The Guaraní people article does not mention "Carijó". The Paranaguá article says the Carijó were "an extinct subgroup of the Guaraní people" (although that statement is unsourced). The Carioca article links to the Carijó article to explain the term, but readers who follow that link to look for the explanation will not find anything there (and perhaps might think Carijó is just a synonym for Guaraní, which is incorrect if what the Paranaguá article says is true, since they were a subgroup rather than just an alternative name). Currently, this redirect is marked with {{R from alternative language}}, but that does not seem correct if what the Paranaguá article says is true. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 07:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Paranaguá#Early settlement where there is substantive material. Also retarget Carijós. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:30, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Windows 6.4[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 06:45, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Windows 6.4 → Windows 10 version history (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

"6.4" not mentioned in target article; also Windows 10 was 10.0, not 6.4. 1033Forest (talk) 00:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This is mentioned at List of Microsoft Windows versions, but only in note g and its associated reference. Thryduulf (talk) 01:33, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep it's pretty well ~~sourced~~verifiable that it was version 6.4 during the technical preview so useful to keep. Mention probably should be added to the target article. ([1] as an example.) Skynxnex (talk) 18:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above Yoblyblob (talk) 13:54, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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October 17[edit]

Cuban reolution[edit]

Indian Empire[edit]

Walter Hartwell "Walt" White[edit]

List of Beatles members[edit]

Pazza[edit]

Template:R from related[edit]

H2ODP[edit]

3-Hydroxy-β-lactone[edit]

Ronald Trump[edit]

Native forest[edit]

Slyvo Spleethe (et al.)[edit]

Red Bull X2010 (fictional Formula One car)[edit]

Eden Prince[edit]

As God As My Witness (Clipse album)[edit]

2006 Dutch cabinet formation[edit]

Not eating[edit]

Hiroshima massacre[edit]

Big Donut[edit]

Death Stare[edit]

ST3 Telkom[edit]

🫗[edit]

Carijó[edit]

Windows 6.4[edit]