Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 11

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 11, 2022.

Vivicam3915

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 18#Vivicam3915

Template:+l

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The result of the discussion was delete. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 12:23, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

• Template:+l → Template:Underlinked  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Template:+L → Template:Underlinked  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Pair of unused template shortcuts that are so short they are confusing and meaningless. I don't think that if you came across {{+l}} in an article it would be obvious from the wikicode what it was. Delete. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 20:55, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• Keep - These redirects are similar to {{+c}} and {{+r}}.

1. Per WP:R#KEEP, "If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do".
2. The redirect was created months ago with dozens of uses to its name, so IMO the time has passed for changing the redirect without significant confusion. Alleged confusion is not very plausible at all. So absent evidence of any harm there is no reason to delete.
3. "There seems to be no evidence of confusion, just conjecture on the part of nominator, and no argument grounded in WP:R. Laziness is the exact purpose of redirects, to be perfectly honest, and the creator of a useful redirect that saves one or two characters should be commended. We don't delete redirects based merely on conjecture. Someone obviously found these useful given they were created."
4. "One of the lowest things one can do is steal another man's tools. So you have no use for it. That it's being used is good enough, and there is zero reason to take away something that has no higher use. Such Nominators should be required to be the one to hand edit and remove any deleted tags."
5. "Redirects are not only cheap but this is a redirect from and to template namespace. That would tend to indicate to me that anyone using it is an editor rather than a general reader and they are hardly likely to get it [confused]. There are lots of little abbreviated things pulled up over the years such as {{tlc}} or {{tlx}} or whatever as useful shorthand for editors."
6. We also have the {{hat}} (not about hats), {{temp}} (not about temporary workers), {{link}} (not about chains, golf courses, an American singer, etc), {{user}} (not about drug, computer or telecommunication system users), {{admin}} (not about administrators), {{ill}} (not about illness), {{top}} (not about spinning tops or clothing), {{columns}} (not about architecture), {{reliable sources}} (not about publications, {{cleanup}} (not about cleaning), {{fiction}} (not about fiction), {{copyedit}} (not about copyediting), {{tone}} (not about literature, linguistics or music), {{neutrality}} (not about international relations), and many others I can't think of off the top of my head.

--Jax 0677 (talk) 15:20, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

• Delete. Adding this template is requesting other editors to add links. Because others will need to be able to interpret this code, it needs to be as transparent as possible. These redirects do not easily convey their meaning, and are thus confusing for those who would come across them in an article. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:01, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

• Reply - People will likely be able to find to find this code by looking at the sequence of the templates, and that is how I find many template redirects, and how people find {{+r}}, the latter of which was discussed and kept. The actual template will unambiguously ask people to add links. --Jax 0677 (talk) 19:34, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

• Delete. This redirect is horrible and should never even be used in articles. Editors should not need to guess what a template does. A name should be as clear as possible. A random letter and the plus sign does not even make any sense here. --Gonnym (talk) 09:02, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

• Reply - The template itself will tell people what needs to be done. If what you said is true, why do {{+R}} and {{+C}} exist? --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:49, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

They exist because you created them. +r was kept but there was little participation in the rfd for it. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 17:08, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

• Delete Nonsensical. It's not even an abbreviation; it's a code that no one else will understand. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 17:18, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

• Reply - If this is the case, how will people understand {{+R}} or {{+C}}, which have been used quite frequently?

• I really like slightly cryptic and clever shortcuts like this one, but they really should only be used for the sort of in-line templates that you'd normally have several instances of in each block of text: that way they save typing and they reduce the clutter in the wikicode. I don't think they should be used for the sort of template that's only invoked once per article, definitely not for the templates that go at the very top of a page: these really need to be clear and transparent, and there's little to gain by making them shorter. – Uanfala (talk) 20:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
• Reply - The number of uses in one article is irrelevant, especially if {{+L}} is used on multiple pages. --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:25, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

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Autonomy (Eastern Christianity)

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The result of the discussion was delete. As an unopposed deletion nomination. Jay (talk) 22:26, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• Autonomy (Eastern Christianity) → Autonomy (Eastern Orthodoxy)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The current target only covers Eastern Orthodoxy. There is no overarching vision of "autonomy" in Eastern Christianity, nor is there denomination specific and encyclopedic-worthy visions of autonomy within Eastern Christianity that I know apart from the current target. The topic is quite nebulous, for example: are the Sui iuris churches considered 'autonomous' in a certain Eastern way? Who calls them like that, is it their proper nomenclature? I know of no RS which covers the alleged topic of Eastern Christian autonomy.
The former targets were never correct either (autonomy is not autocephaly).
Also, the redirect is misleading.
Therefore, I think this redirect should be deleted. Veverve (talk) 20:53, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

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template:+rb

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The result of the discussion was delete. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 12:22, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

• Template:+rb → Template:BLP sources  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Utterly incomprehensible and very confusing shortcut redirect, I don't see how "+rb" is a plausible shortening of "BLP sources". Replace the single use and delete. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 20:39, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• Keep - This redirect is similar to {{+r}}, and it has been pointed out to me that {{+rb}} should be used in place of {{+r}}.

1. Per WP:R#KEEP, "If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do".
2. The redirect was created months ago with many uses to its name, so IMO the time has passed for changing the redirect without significant confusion. Alleged confusion is not very plausible at all. So absent evidence of any harm there is no reason to delete.
3. "There seems to be no evidence of confusion, just conjecture on the part of nominator, and no argument grounded in WP:R. Laziness is the exact purpose of redirects, to be perfectly honest, and the creator of a useful redirect that saves one or two characters should be commended. We don't delete redirects based merely on conjecture. Someone obviously found these useful given they were created."
4. "One of the lowest things one can do is steal another man's tools. So you have no use for it. That it's being used is good enough, and there is zero reason to take away something that has no higher use. Such Nominators should be required to be the one to hand edit and remove any deleted tags."
5. "Redirects are not only cheap but this is a redirect from and to template namespace. That would tend to indicate to me that anyone using it is an editor rather than a general reader and they are hardly likely to get it [confused]. There are lots of little abbreviated things pulled up over the years such as {{tlc}} or {{tlx}} or whatever as useful shorthand for editors."
6. We also have the {{hat}} (not about hats), {{temp}} (not about temporary workers), {{link}} (not about chains, golf courses, an American singer, etc), {{user}} (not about drug, computer or telecommunication system users), {{admin}} (not about administrators), {{ill}} (not about illness), {{top}} (not about spinning tops or clothing), {{columns}} (not about architecture), {{reliable sources}} (not about publications, {{cleanup}} (not about cleaning), {{fiction}} (not about fiction), {{copyedit}} (not about copyediting), {{tone}} (not about literature, linguistics or music), {{neutrality}} (not about international relations), and many others I can't think of off the top of my head.

--Jax 0677 (talk) 15:28, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

• Delete, agreeing with the nominator that "+rb" makes no sense for "BLP sources". Adding this template is requesting other editors to add sources. Because others will need to be able to interpret this code, it needs to be as transparent as possible. These redirects do not easily convey their meaning, and are thus confusing for those who would come across them in an article. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:04, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

• Reply - People will likely be able to find to find this code by looking at the sequence of the templates, and that is how I find many template redirects, and how people find {{+r}}, the latter of which was discussed and kept. The actual template will unambiguously ask people to add references. --Jax 0677 (talk) 19:35, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

• Delete. This redirect is horrible and should never even be used in articles. Editors should not need to guess what a template does. A name should be as clear as possible. Two random letters and the plus sign do not even make any sense here. --Gonnym (talk) 09:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

• Reply - The template itself will tell people what needs to be done. If what you said is true, why do {{+R}} and {{+C}} exist? --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:51, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per Gonnym, and the fact the redirect is less than two months old and can therefore safely be deleted. Veverve (talk) 20:47, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
• Delete "+rb" would seem to mean so many other things before I would ever think that it's for adding sources to a biography article. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 17:21, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

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Autonomy for East Pakistan

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 18#Autonomy for East Pakistan

Template:Rfs and Template:RFS

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The result of the discussion was delete. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 12:22, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

• Template:Rfs → Template:Reflist  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Template:RFS → Template:Reflist  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No transclusions. These are redirects to {{reflist}}. "Rfs" or "RFS" is not a natural abbreviation for "Reflist", and it is ambiguous (see the previous RFD in which the redirect "Rfs" was deleted in part for being ambiguous despite pointing at a more reasonable target). "Reflist" is already a short template name, so there is no need for a shorter name. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:23, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• Delete a unused, ambiguous and confusing. Templates names should either clearly explain what they do or they should be logical shortenings of a name that explains what they do, so that when editors come across them in wikitext it is easy to figure out what they are. We already have {{refs}} as a redirect to {{reflist}} if typing 7 characters is too much effort, I don't see what the benefit of removing an extra letter so the name becomes incomprehensible is. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 20:32, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Izno (talk) 20:53, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
• delete per nom Happy Editing--IAmChaos 21:38, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
• Keep - This is a very useful abbreviation for {{reflist}}.
  1. Per WP:R#KEEP, "If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do".
  2. The redirect was created years ago with many uses to its name, so IMO the time has passed for changing the redirect without significant confusion. Alleged confusion is not very plausible at all. So absent evidence of any harm there is no reason to delete.
  3. "There seems to be no evidence of confusion, just conjecture on the part of nominator, and no argument grounded in WP:R. Laziness is the exact purpose of redirects, to be perfectly honest, and the creator of a useful redirect that saves one or two characters should be commended. We don't delete redirects based merely on conjecture. Someone obviously found these useful given they were created."
  4. "One of the lowest things one can do is steal another man's tools. So you have no use for it. That it's being used is good enough, and there is zero reason to take away something that has no higher use. Such Nominators should be required to be the one to hand edit and remove any deleted tags."
  5. "Redirects are not only cheap but this is a redirect from and to template namespace. That would tend to indicate to me that anyone using it is an editor rather than a general reader and they are hardly likely to get it [confused]. There are lots of little abbreviated things pulled up over the years such as {{tlc}} or {{tlx}} or whatever as useful shorthand for editors."
  6. We also have the {{hat}} (not about hats), {{temp}} (not about temporary workers), {{link}} (not about chains, golf courses, an American singer, etc), {{user}} (not about drug, computer or telecommunication system users), {{admin}} (not about administrators), {{ill}} (not about illness), {{top}} (not about spinning tops or clothing), {{columns}} (not about architecture), {{reliable sources}} (not about publications, {{cleanup}} (not about cleaning), {{fiction}} (not about fiction), {{copyedit}} (not about copyediting), {{tone}} (not about literature, linguistics or music), {{neutrality}} (not about international relations), and many others I can't think of off the top of my head.
• --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:32, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

  Your wall of text comment is breaking the indention and is breaking the reply tool. Please fix your indention. --Gonnym (talk) 09:09, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

• Reply - Let me know how to fix this, and I shall consider doing so. --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:58, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

• Instead of copy-pasting the same TL;DR garbage every time one of these redirects come up, try concisely explaining in your own words why these are useful redirects. -- Tavix ^(talk) 13:04, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. These should not be used in articles as they are unclear what they do and the 4 characters saved are not worth it. Add to the fact that this template is at maxed used only once in an article, there is no value in redirects for it. --Gonnym (talk) 09:08, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

  1 character. The redirect {{refs}} exists. Izno (talk) 21:30, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

• Reply - The template itself displayed on the page will tell people what needs to be done. If what you said is true, why do {{+R}} and {{+C}} exist? --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:58, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

  WP:OSE. Each redirect is examined on its merits. Izno (talk) 00:52, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

• Delete Similar to the RfD for Template:Rfl. Template creator still pulling out (copying/pasting) arguments he has used for years to justify his laziness. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 17:31, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

• Reply - WP:CIVIL, and "Laziness is the exact purpose of redirects, to be perfectly honest, and the creator of a useful redirect that saves one or two characters should be commended". --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:28, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• Comment - People will likely be able to find to find this code by looking at the sequence of the templates, and that is how I find many template redirects, and how people find {{+r}}, the latter of which was discussed and kept. The template only exists to put the citations in the correct location. --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:30, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

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Bottomless

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. Jay (talk) 22:24, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• Bottomless → All-you-can-eat restaurant#Beverages  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I think this is ambiguous and I don't think that "bottomless drinks" is nessasarily the primary topic of "bottomless". I would suggest either soft redirecting to wiktionary or perhaps disambiguation? 192.76.8.78 (talk) 20:05, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• Disambiguate (drafted) among Wiktionary, bottomless drink (a redirect I just created to the current target), and nudity. The nudity article does briefly list "bottomlessness" as a synonym, so I think WP:DABMENTION is just barely satisfied. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 01:38, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

  Note: "Barely" was not a pun, but should have been. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 03:33, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

• Support drafted dab --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:44, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
• Dabify per the above. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:23, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

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D und D

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 22:23, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• D und D → Dungeons & Dragons  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I can't find any evidence that Dungeons & Dragons is ever referred to with a Germanic "und" in English. Delete per WP:RLOTE. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:RLOTE. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:24, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
• Delete it seems that de.wiki also calls it D&D rather than D und D. --Lenticel ^(talk) 05:16, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

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David's

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 18#David's

Cold oatmeal

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Museli. Jay (talk) 22:21, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• Cold oatmeal → Oatmeal  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The target article doesn't mention anything called "cold oatmeal". Google searches are dominated by Overnight oats, which currently redirects to museli. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:25, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• Retarget to Museli as most plausible target --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:05, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

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Bear children

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 18#Bear children

Samuel-034

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 18#Samuel-034

🫥

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 18#🫥

🫤

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 18#🫤

🫣

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 22:22, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• 🫣 → Looking#Looking in quick, subtle, or hidden ways  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Refers to this emoji, I doubt that readers will be trying to find this section, and would suggest deletion, with redirecting to Emoji or its unicode block as second choices. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:29, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• Keep. This one is called "Face with Peeking Eye" and it redirects to the same place as Peeking. -- Tavix ^(talk) 01:04, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Keep per above. Gonnym (talk) 14:22, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

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🫢

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 22:21, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• 🫢 → Surprise (emotion)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Potentially ambiguous emoji redirect. For those that can't render it correctly, it is a face with a hand over the mouth. While it can be used to indicate surprise, its name is "Face with Hand Over Mouth" and may be used in other contexts as well. Deletion or redirecting to Emoji or the specific unicode block seem preferable to the status quo. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:24, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• Keep. Per Emojipedia, it is used to convey shock or surprise. -- Tavix ^(talk) 01:01, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Keep per above. Gonnym (talk) 14:21, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

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S.P.A.R.T.A.N

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 22:03, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• S.P.A.R.T.A.N → List of Halo characters#Spartans  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"spartan" in halo is never stylised with full stops between each letter as far as I can tell, and this redirect has a missing full stop at the end. A google search fails to find any specific affinity between this stylisation and Halo. There is a hoax article in the page history where someone is trying to pretend that the spartans from halo are an actuall part of the US military. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 18:20, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• Delete as implausible. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 19:04, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
• Delete to nuke the hoax and for implausibility. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:27, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
• Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:56, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

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🫠

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 24#🫠

Alchemical copper

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Alchemical Symbols (Unicode block). (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 22:21, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• 🜠 → List of copper ores  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• 🜣 → Copper(I) oxide  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• 🜤 → Copper(I) oxide  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Similar to iron and mercury below, the female-looking symbol is an alchemical sign of copper, but it's not clear what the meaning of these derived signs are and they are not discussed at the target. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:22, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

These are ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR COPPER ORE, ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR CROCUS OF COPPER and ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR CROCUS OF COPPER-2 respectively. If they are not mentioned they can be alternatively pointed at Alchemical Symbols (Unicode block). 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:26, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• Retarget to Alchemical Symbols (Unicode block) per 1234qwer --Lenticel ^(talk) 23:59, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Retarget per above. Gonnym (talk) 14:18, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

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Alchemical iron (🜞)

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Alchemical Symbols (Unicode block). (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 22:21, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• 🜞 → Iron(III) oxide  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Similar to mercury before, but for iron. I can't find any indication that this sign refers to iron. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:22, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

This is ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR CROCUS OF IRON. If it is not mentioned it can be alternatively pointed at Alchemical Symbols (Unicode block). 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:25, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• Retarget to Alchemical Symbols (Unicode block) per 1234qwer --Lenticel ^(talk) 23:58, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
• Retarget per above. Gonnym (talk) 14:18, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

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Alchemical mercury

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Alchemical Symbols (Unicode block). (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 22:20, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• 🜑 → Mercury(II) chloride  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• 🜒 → Mercury(II) chloride  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not given at the target; I was able to confirm that the bottom half of 🜑 is the alchemical sign for mercury, but not that the top refers to chloride or that the entire symbol refers to mercury chloride. I can't find any correlates to 🜒. Delete unless a proper definition can be sourced. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:14, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

These are ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR MERCURY SUBLIMATE-2 and ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR MERCURY SUBLIMATE-3 respectively, related to 🜐 (ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR MERCURY SUBLIMATE). If they are not mentioned they can be alternatively pointed at Alchemical Symbols (Unicode block). 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:24, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• Retarget to Alchemical Symbols (Unicode block) per 1234qwer --Lenticel ^(talk) 23:58, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Retarget per above. Gonnym (talk) 14:18, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

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Orna 'Fulsamee

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 22:02, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• Orna 'Fulsamee → List of Halo characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in the list or anywhere else in the project. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 18:04, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• Delete FYI, he is a Halo: The Flood character, but isn't mentioned there at all. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:11, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

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Christocephalous

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 21:58, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• Christocephalous → Autocephaly  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This neologism was kept after a 2005 AfD. This neologism, whose main results on Google are this WP redirect, does not have any meaning in use, even less the administrative and precise term autocephaly; "Christocephalous" literally means 'Christ-headed'. See also WP:NEO. There are no good redirects.
Therefore, I think it should be deleted. Veverve (talk) 18:00, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• Delete ran this on Google Books and Scholar and I can't get any reliable sources hits --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:28, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

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Survival arms

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Private Jenkins

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W.A. Jankins (Halo)

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The result of the discussion was delete. As an unopposed deletion nomination. Jay (talk) 21:44, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• W.A. Jankins (Halo) → List of Halo characters#Wallace Jenkins  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in the target article or anywhere else, misspelled. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 17:52, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

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Captain Carol "Foehammer" Rawley

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 21:42, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• Captain Carol "Foehammer" Rawley → List of Halo characters#Carol "Foehammer" Rawley  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in the target article or anywhere else on the project. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 17:44, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 21:46, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

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Template:Euphoria

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Corporal Perez

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Sergeant Banks

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Fleet Admiral Harper

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The result of the discussion was delete. I have moved the history to Talk:List of Halo characters/Fleet Admiral Harper. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 22:07, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

• Fleet Admiral Harper → List of Halo characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in the target article or anywhere else on the project. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 17:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 21:47, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
• Content was merged to the target. If deleting the redirect, save the history somewhere. Jay (talk) 21:28, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
• Delete If it was merged, none of the merged content exists in the current version so this redirect is unnecessary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:43, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

  Content implies current + all previous versions. Jay (talk) 05:34, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

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N'tho 'Sraom

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Usze 'Taham

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Society 5.0

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 21:15, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• Society 5.0 → Information revolution  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the target, Scholar searches suggest that this is an independently notable topic, but the prior article cannot be restored due to copyright violations, so deletion seems like the best option. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:15, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 21:47, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

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Major Pawel Czernek

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The result of the discussion was delete. As an unopposed deletion nomination. Jay (talk) 21:14, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• Major Pawel Czernek → List of Halo characters#Major Pawel Czernek  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Pawel Czernek → List of Halo characters#Major Pawel Czernek  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Major Czernek → List of Halo characters#Major Pawel Czernek  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in the target article or anywhere else in the encyclopedia. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 17:13, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

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Johannes Buder

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Walter Engelmann

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Rob Derbyshire

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Surf beach

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The result of the discussion was Surf Beach disambiguated, and Surf beach retargeted to that dab. Disambiguation page was unanimously supported, and the subsequent dab draft was also praised by consensus without objections. Problem solved. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 23:02, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

• Surf beach → Surf, California  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Surf Beach → Surf, California  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I added a hatnote to the current target to the Australian localities of Surf Beach, New South Wales and Surf Beach, Victoria but am wondering what, if anything, is the primary topic for this term. It seems very generic, and could simply refer to a beach where people surf? When Surf beach was created it was a redirect to Beach. Also note the only current article to link to either is Woodside Beach, Victoria which links to Surf Beach clearly in the generic sense. A7V2 (talk) 09:35, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

• Comment: At the time the redirects were created, the NSW and Victoria pages did not exist yet. As noted, Surf beach was originally created as a redirect to Beach, but I changed it in 2014 after I was reverted for adding a corresponding Template:Redirect on Beach per WP:DIFFCAPS. AFAIK going through Category:Surfing locations, there is no other generic article or list that is specifically about "beaches where people surf", and there cannot be dictionary definitions listed. Of course, it would be fairly easy to be bold and remove the redirect and create a disambiguation page now. All three do not get very much daily page views, a primary topic based on usage is not statistically significant.[1] My question is whether do the NSW and Victoria pages even pass WP:NGEO to warrant separate pages at this time? The only sources cited on those two pages is census information, the geographical names board, and OpenStreetMap without any other independent, third-party reliable sources. But that is probably for another discussion venue. Zzyzx11 (talk) 10:24, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

  I can't (or at least won't...) comment on the notability of the two Australian articles except to say for the Victorian one I never knew it was a locality before seeing the article, just a beach. Yes I think a DAB would work. There's no wikitionary entry so we could either put at the top something like "A surf beach is a beach commonly used for surfing...", or just go straight to "Surf beach may refer to..." and then list beach and surfing under see also, perhaps accompanied by Beach (disambiguation) and Surfing (disambiguation). A7V2 (talk) 04:05, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

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• Comment. I'm open to converting to a dab page for now, based on User:A7V2's suggestion to list the three localities, then beach and surfing in the see also section. Zzyzx11 (talk) 14:12, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
• Support the proposed dab to the three locations and the see also section for "beach" and "surfing" --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:36, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
• DABify according to Lenticel, as the expressions are ambiguous. Veverve (talk) 17:25, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: A draft DAB would be extremely helpful for closing this…
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• @Zzyzx11, Lenticel, Veverve, and CycloneYoris: I have created a draft DAB at Surf Beach (and for avoidance of doubt advocate for disambiguating and retargeting Surf beach there). I put both the base and disambiguation versions of Beach and Surfing but if others have other things to add or remove or want to reorder etc that's of course fine. A7V2 (talk) 10:32, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
• The drafted dab looks good. Jay (talk) 11:23, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
• Support Dab made by User:A7V2. --Lenticel ^(talk) 13:59, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
• Support Dab of User:A7V2. Veverve (talk) 21:48, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
• Support disambig. The drafted page looks good to me. Glades12 (talk) 07:47, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

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Ephiel tower

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The result of the discussion was keep some, delete some. If you disagree with the ones I've deleted, recreate them. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 12:18, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

• Ephiel tower → Eiffel Tower  (talk · links · history · stats)      [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Efel tower → Eiffel Tower  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Ephel tower → Eiffel Tower  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Eiphel tower → Eiffel Tower  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Eiffell tower → Eiffel Tower  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Effle tower → Eiffel Tower  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Effl tower → Eiffel Tower  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Fl tower → Eiffel Tower  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Eiffel towre → Eiffel Tower  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Uncommon misspellings. These are "plausible" I suppose so don't qualify for R3. Just doesn't seem very useful to clog our wikilink suggestions and search results with 10 of these though. Note that "towre" looks British at first glance, but my googling indicates that it isn't British, just obsolete. Suggest delete all. –Novem Linguae (talk) 02:04, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Keep Eiffell tower. Delete Fl, Effl, Effle? I don't have a comment on the rest. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 10:50, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

• Weak keep as {{R from misspelling}} especially for simple typos like Eiffell tower / Eiffel towre / Eiffle tower / Effel tower -- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 05:33, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
• Delete all. Different combinations with minor variations, all recently created by one user and at the same time. Jay (talk) 19:33, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

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• Close this discusion per WP:TRAINWRECK, renominate in small groups of similar titles. Too many redirects of way too disparate worth to judge as one batch. Some of these I would support keeping (e.g. Eiffell tower) some are WP:R3 worthy (e.g. Fl tower, Effl tower), some I'm on the fence about. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 16:55, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
• Keep Eiphel tower and Eiffell tower as plausible misspellings. No strong opinion about the rest, which seem like implausible misspellings to me. I agree with 192.76.8.78 that these are too varied to judge as a group – it might be better to renominate individually or in small groups. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 06:05, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Delete all. The search engine should be strong enough to recognize by itself what article the user wants without needing these. Also, who is searching with "Fl tower"? Gonnym (talk) 14:21, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

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Balochki language

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Fools' Day

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Polymer impregnation

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The result of the discussion was delete since no method of disambiguation was proposed. No prejudice against future attempts to disambiguate these topics. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 22:11, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

• Polymer impregnation → Plastination  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Polymer impregnating → Porosity sealing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

These targets seem too specific for these terms, and these redirects should likely target the same place. I am not sure about what the best broader target may be. Impregnation appropriately redirects to Fertilisation where a hatnote directs users to Waterproofing as apparently the only other use of this broad term. A better target is needed, or perhaps some sort of disambiguation. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:50, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

• Personally I prefer a disambig over a redirect any day. I am not really certain of what your argument or solution is but... Krj373^{*(talk), *(contrib)} 02:19, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: There seems to be agreement on disambiguation. A dab draft will help in the discussion.
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n-C Hydrocarbon Redirects

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HTC Prague Open

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The result of the discussion was retarget to 1992 HTC Prague Open. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 12:14, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

• HTC Prague Open → WTA Prague Open  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete the page. This is a 1992 tournament redirected to another that started officially in 2010, as per its official website. There's no connection. Also no page history. Opencross (talk) 00:29, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• Retarget to 1992 HTC Prague Open. Jay (talk) 07:19, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
• Retarget per Jay. CycloneYoris ^talk! 22:35, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

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