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November 15[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 15, 2021.

Zoe Margaret Colletti[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 23#Zoe Margaret Colletti

Garen Crownguard[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 02:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at target; only other mention on enwiki is a dab entry at Garen, also linking to the redirect's target. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:04, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Katarina Du Couteau[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 24#Katarina Du Couteau

Luxanna Crownguard[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 02:37, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at target; otherwise only used in a passing mention at Carrie Keranen. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:54, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nominator. Specifically, redirecting to the voice actress' page doesn't make much sense, as characters are voiced by different people in different languages, and we also have an article about the Japanese voice actress Shizuka Itō (I think the mention of "Lux" on her page is referring to this role). 61.239.39.90 (talk) 23:56, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Xayah[edit]

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 02:37, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:52, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Tahm Kench[edit]

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 02:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:51, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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M2102J20SG[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Jay (talk) 04:57, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Serial number (?) not mentioned at target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 18:40, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hhuang22/Phytobenthos[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete as WP:CSD#R3. ✗plicit 07:08, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Double redirect to Phytobenthos but I don't think we need a redirect from this title. It's not a plausible search term. Stefan2 (talk) 18:30, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete (G6): Created in the wrong namespace. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:44, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy deletion This is clearly leftover after a page move and doesn't require a week-long discussion. Liz Read! Talk! 01:40, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Evan Marc[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete as author request. ✗plicit 06:42, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Has nothing to do with the awards. Original page this redirected to was deleted via Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bluetech. Jalen Folf (talk) 17:23, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • I agree. This can be deleted entirely because the intended target page is gone now. --Nicholas0 (talk) 17:58, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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CLCL[edit]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. (non-admin closure) feminist (t) 17:52, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A local cricket league is not the primary topic for this abbreviation, over Canada Lands Company. Instead this should be converted to a dab page, as either are reasonable search terms for CLCL, and which one you want primarily depends on whether you're based in England or North America Joseph2302 (talk) 12:09, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Disambiguate there's also the assembly language code CLCL (compare logical long) for the IBM System/370 to make a 3DAB -- 64.229.90.53 (talk) 04:12, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambig per above. The most prominent result in google searches, by far, is a clipboard management tool but we don't have an article about that I can find. Thryduulf (talk) 14:26, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Disambiguate Per nom and other comments. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 12:39, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Minecraft: The Movie (2019 film)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 18:11, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete it, no Minecraft films were released in 2019. 65.95.48.120 (talk) 17:25, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak retarget to Minecraft (franchise)#Untitled film, which describes the movie this redirect is meant to refer to (it was originally scheduled to be released in 2019, but has since been shifted to 2022 and later removed from Warner Bros.' release schedule), and where Minecraft: The Movie redirects. Although it is true that no Minecraft movies ended up being released in 2019, it might still be helpful to readers looking for info about this project whose status as of now is unknown. Of course, if that doesn't work, we can always delete it per the "delete" voters below and lack of word on the movie until a release date is officially announced. Regards, SONIC678 18:43, 7 November 2021 (UTC), updated 20:10, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: When (if) the film is created, the page/redirect title would use its year of release, not year of announcement. — CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 19:27, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Year hatnotes in titles refer to the release year not announcement year, so this is misleading. (And the movie barely exists anyway...)  Nixinova   T   C   20:00, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete might cause confusion since there's no films that were released during that year. --Lenticel (talk) 08:42, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: This "film" was not released in that year. ―Susmuffin Talk 01:13, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Procedural relisting, was not properly tagged for deletion.
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Wīwī[edit]

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The result of the discussion was redirect to new DAB page. A clear consensus emerged for this option after the most recent relist, with most contrary earlier !votes having been based on a much narrower question. I have moved Draft:Wiwi to mainspace. (non-admin closure) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 02:59, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Before August 2021 the target was Juncus. But I do not see why this redirect should exist at all. Somerby (talk) 20:01, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The creation summary of this redirect points to User:Stuartyeates/Ngā Ūpoko Tukutuku (I've alerted Stuartyeates to this discussion, as the nominator failed to do so). That page indicates that "Wīwī" is a Maori word that can mean either "A term for small rushes resembling sedges, forming mats in wet places. Juncus spp." or French culture/French people. As there is is no particular affinity between Maori or New Zealand and either French people/culture or a genus of plants "with species found throughout the world" so WP:RFOREIGN applies. Thryduulf (talk) 20:34, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Per Thryduulf's comment. --► Sincerely: Solavirum 19:25, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I have reverted to the redirect to Juncus. The apparently novice editor who had changed it made a number of other ill-advised changes to pages. Wīwī is a loan word in English, with entries in The Dictionary of New Zealand English (Orsman, 1997) and The New Zealand Oxford Dictionary (Deverson & Kennedy, 2005), for example, so WP:RFOREIGN does not apply. There are many other redirects from English words of Māori origin, including ones for plant genera. Nurg (talk) 05:26, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the term is mentioned (without macrons) as an alternative name at Juncus edgariae and Juncus australis, but also some species in other genera, e.g. Ficinia nodosa. One option might be to create a Wiwi disambiguation page, retarget this there, and add any rushes which meet WP:DABMENTION plus a link to Wiktionary and other topics like Wiwi-Anne Johansson and WIWI-LP. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 06:47, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep As per https://maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=&phrase=&proverb=&loan=&histLoanWords=&keywords=wiwi this is a loan word into the Māori language from French (from 'oui, oui' / 'yes, yes'). This is a language with >50,000 speakers who all also speak English. The false friends rationale for deleting the redirect is a marginal call, because the use of macrons in non-New Zealand dialects of English is rare. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:53, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: There is no reason to have a Māori redirect for France. ―Susmuffin Talk 01:11, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Susmuffin: It was changed to a redirect to Juncus subsequent to the nomination, but prior to your response. I suggest you reconsider in the light of that. Nurg (talk) 02:27, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • A brief search for this term seems to indicate that it has a greater relationship with France than it does with that genus. I found two Māori dictionaries that do not mention the genus. Wiktionary also seems to lean in that direction. Furthermore, it is difficult to see the specific relationship between a Māori word and a genus that is "found throughout the world". ―Susmuffin Talk 02:44, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • You've cited 2 dictionaries of the Māori language, plus a Māori language entry in Wiktionary. I agree that we would not need a redirect if it was just a Māori word (here I disagree with Stuartyeates' rationale). But it is an English word (borrowed from Māori) and I have cited two English dictionaries above. Nurg (talk) 10:40, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as an English loan term, which fulfills its purpose in telling readers what it refers to. Disambiguate if ambiguous. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 02:52, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Redirect to disambiguation page per below. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 22:34, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep per Nurg. I've checked my copy of the 1997 New Zealand Oxford Dictionary, which contains the definition of wiwi as meaning rushes, and also wi-wi meaning French. The dictionary does not use macrons on these words, but this might reflect its age. I don't have a copy of Orsman. My copy of Heinemann New Zealand Dictionary does not contain an entry for wiwi, but as it was printed in 1979 and is much more compact than the Oxford I'm not surprised.-gadfium 04:12, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Redirect to a wiwi diambiguation page as proposed by 61.239.39.90 directly below.-gadfium 22:23, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate wiwi and retarget there per WP:DABCOMBINE (since the dab page would also have entries like WIWI-LP which are correctly written without the macron). Maybe someone could write a Category:Plant common names article at wīwī in the future, but for now a redirect to a dab page with an entry "Wīwī, a Maori and New Zealand English name for rushes and sedges, such as:" (followed by a list of all the plants that meet WP:DABMENTION) is the best option. {{R to article without mention}}s are usually a bad idea, and particularly so for synonyms which are only familiar to a subset of English speakers. All the other English speakers who have no idea what the word means nor how it is used, are left none the wiser by the article they land on, and are left to draw potentially-incorrect inferences — particularly in this case, where the redirect points to a genus but we have a WP:RS explicitly stating that the term can refer to some plants that aren't even in the same family. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 04:36, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment I have created a draft dab page at Draft:Wiwi. (If this discussion ends with a consensus against creating the dab page, the closing admin can go ahead and {{db-g7}} it.) 61.239.39.90 (talk) 04:55, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate Wiwi and retarget there --Somerby (talk) 18:06, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate Wiwi (Draft:Wiwi) and retarget there for now, with the possibility that someone could write a set index (Category:Set indices on plant common names) article at Wīwī. Nurg (talk) 22:13, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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ISO 639:none[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 23#ISO 639:none

Mobile personal computer[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Suggested targets were mobile computing (nomination), mobile device, portable computer and personal computer. If the merge suggested between mobile computing#Devices and mobile device#Types, goes through, this can be brought back to RfD. Jay (talk) 04:52, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose retarget to Mobile computing as current target is more specific. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 21:54, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Portable computer looks like a better target to me on first sight. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:23, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Multiple targets are currently being discussed. Which one is more suitable?
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Coat of arms of Christmas Island[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 18#Coat of arms of Christmas Island

List of bridges in Washington, D.C.[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 29#List of bridges in Washington, D.C.

List of bridges in Boston[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 29#List of bridges in Boston

Bridges in Chicago[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 29#Bridges in Chicago

Kansas, Kansas[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. MBisanz talk 04:17, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely search term, probably less likely than Kansas, Missouri (created by the same editor, see RfD discussion) given KCK's smaller size. feminist (+) 10:33, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Agree per nom. Nobody on earth has ever thought, said, or typed "Kansas, Kansas" or referred to a city as "Kansas". — Smuckola(talk) 16:58, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Unlikely to ever be used. Unlike Kansas City, Missouri which was once referred to simply as “Town of Kansas”- Kansas City, Kansas was named as such from its’ beginning. Grey Wanderer (talk) 17:35, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, like my vote in the previous RfD; this is a made up name that does not enjoy use in practice. "Kansas, Kansas" would be used to refer to the Kansas-y part of Kansas, as opposed to, for example, the High Plains or Four State Area in the Kansas periphery. -- Tavix (talk) 18:42, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: This redirect is both improbable and incorrect. ―Susmuffin Talk 14:19, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep. As I and others argued at the previous RfD, and at the related ongoing RfD for Florida, Florida, titles of this variety are plausible search terms for people unfamiliar with the nuances of city names in the U.S. It is not at all intuitively obvious that "New York" can refer to New York City (and is in fact the official name), but that "Kansas" cannot refer to Kansas City. As with the other two RfDs, people are conflating "I wouldn't use this term" with "No one would use this term". -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 23:51, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep per Tamzin and my comments in all the related discussions. USians need to understand that just because it's not a search term they would use doesn't mean that the same is true of the people in the rest of the world. Thryduulf (talk) 21:20, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep - Most people who aren't too familiar with the region (including me) would definitely search "Kansas Kansas" to find Kansas city and I don't see any harm to keeping the redirect either as there doesn't seem to be any other "Kansas" in the state of Kansas. — curiousGolden call me maybe? 06:42, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per above, most XXXXX City places in the world are also referred to by XXXXX and a reader inferring that pattern continues to all cities is likely. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 01:53, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Cryokenesis[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 23#Cryokenesis

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