Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 September 25

September 25

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 25, 2014.

The Jig Is Up (Dump'n)

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was retarget to J. Cole production discography (non-admin closure). There is a discussion in the very much related thread below of creating a dab page, but this redirect in particular was not brought up there or here, so I conclude that this is both uncontroversial and stale. Free to revert, of course. Ivanvector (talk) 21:34, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Jig Is Up (Dump'n) → Kendrick Lamar (links to redirect • history • stats) [ Closure: keep/delete ]

I'm not quite sure what to do with this one. The only place this song is mentioned is Good Kid, M.A.A.D City. It's not actually from that album; it's referenced in the context with a beef Lamar had with another artist. It's not mentioned on the target page or at Kendrick Lamar discography. I'm requesting deletion per WP:RFD#DELETE #10, or information in an article that makes that unnecessary. BDD (talk) 20:17, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget - there is also a mention in J. Cole production discography that contains some useful information. It informs the reader, by implication, that it was intended for the 'Good Kid, M.A.A.D City' album but was left out together with the name of the artist and producers. Not a lot but I think enough to make the redirect worthwhile. The Whispering Wind (talk) 19:45, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that seems like a good solution. --BDD (talk) 15:57, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

The jig is up

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was dabify. I think we're all in agreement here. --BDD (talk) 16:37, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The jig is up → Renegade (Styx song) (links to redirect • history • stats) [ Closure: keep/delete ]

Readers searching for this term are probably looking for information about its usage, not as a lyric in a song. (It's not mentioned at the target article.) Convert to an article or dab if it can be done within policy; otherwise, delete. BDD (talk) 20:11, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I created the redirect. The reason is that the phrase is in the song many times and most people think that is the title. I think making it a dab would be best, but I'm not opposed to deleting it. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 20:41, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment it seems to be an idiom based on the jig. I'm leaning closer to Delete but the jig article looks like a weak candidate for a redirect. I'm not also sure if it's worth retargetting to the wiktionary entry.--Lenticel ^(talk) 02:40, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can we have a dab page where one target is on Wikipedia and one is on Wiktionary? Most people looking for this probably want wiktionary:the jig is up, but if it's mistaken for the title of Renegade (Styx song), a dab page would make sense to me. – Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 02:54, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this phrase is a stock phrase used in a very large number of subjects (mainly stereotypical crime fiction and comedy), so has no particular affinity for the target -- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 04:49, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Except that many people think that is the title to the Styx song. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 20:05, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - except that's only a few people, for most people it isn't, and that's WP:ASTONISH violation. -- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 04:06, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - Update disambiguation is also acceptable for me -- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 05:00, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for a couple of reasons:

I would think that people who don't know the name of the Styx song would think it's named "They Finally Found Me", not "The Jig Is Up", given that it is spoken so fast that people probably think they're saying "The Dig Is Up." (I'm saying this as a person who didn't know who Styx was until about a decade after first hearing their song, Renegade.)

Due to the ambiguity of this term, I believe that neither a retarget, nor the creation of a disambiguation page will benefit our readers. There are several terms that this phrase could refer to, such as defeat, but the existence of these terms without being specifically referred to as the title of this redirect render the redirect overly ambiguous.

~~However, I do the possibility of a broad concept article at this title explaining the term. So, essentially, "delete per WP:REDLINK." Steel1943 (talk) 20:29, 26 September 2014 (UTC)~~[reply]

Comment Wikipedia has bare mentions of a number of (all apparently non-notable) works with this title:
- "The Jig Is Up", a 1993 song on Jim Witter (album) by Canadian country music artist Jim Witter
- "The Jig Is Up", a 1995 song on Jill Sobule (album) by American singer-songwriter Jill Sobule
- The Jig Is Up, a 2004 album by American fiddle player Peter Stampfel
- "The Jig Is Up", a 2008 song on the album Time Is Fiction by American indie rock band Edison Glass
- "The Jig Is Up", a 2010 song on the album American Gong by American indie rock band Quasi

Maybe WP:IAR and create a disambiguation page anyway with a {{wiktionary}} link to wikt:the jig is up, which is probably what most people are looking for? 61.10.165.33 (talk) 03:03, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

disambiguate per the findings of 61.10.165.33. Good work. Thryduulf (talk) 15:28, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate per IP. Steel1943 (talk) 15:41, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Dab per IP. Good job.--Lenticel ^(talk) 02:56, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Adf.ly

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 November 17#Adf.ly

Filthydelphia

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 November 17#Filthydelphia

Cunningham Shoulder Reduction

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was keep. The clear consensus is backed up by policy. The principle, as expressed in the comment by Thryduulf, is contained in WP:RFD#HARMFUL. Here, this is an established redirect and there is no suggestion that it is harmful. The name formation 'Cunningham Shoulder Reduction' does occur in Google results so plausibly it may be a search term and, finally, unless there is a good reason, established practice, after a page move, is to keep the original title as a redirect. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 23:40, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cunningham Shoulder Reduction → Cunningham shoulder reduction (links to redirect • history • stats) [ Closure: keep/delete ]

renamed as per WP:MOS Mschamberlain (talk) 10:40, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

~~Speedy Delete~~ per G6. 野狼院ひさし _{Hisashi Yarouin} 14:35, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Needs some time for the bots to catch up after I moved the page (which created the redirect). There are about 75 pages that transclude a navigation template which in turn linked to Cunningham Shoulder Reduction. I've edited the nav template, but until each of the 75 is refreshed by an edit/rerendering, there will be some double redirects remaining. I'm not sure how long this will take, but a week seems reasonable, then a recheck. LeadSongDog come howl! 15:01, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - Whoops not sure how I come to it, but {{R from other capitalisation}} is way more appropriate than G6 per Thryduulf. Strike and keep. 野狼院ひさし _{Hisashi Yarouin} 14:35, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a standard {{R from other capitalisation}} and {{R from move}}. There is nothing to be gained from deletion and it will be harmful if links from external websites, bookmarks, mirrors, hard copy references, etc. are broken. Thryduulf (talk) 15:35, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Agree. After all, if the article creator made this mistake, it seems likely that others searching for the article would make it too. – Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 02:56, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Thryduulf. Steel1943 (talk) 10:36, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Thryduulf. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:20, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

saurik

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was retargeted to Jay Freeman by Adaminsull. It's a commonsense solution, though, and one I endorse as closing admin. --BDD (talk) 16:33, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

saurik → Cydia (links to redirect • history • stats) [ Closure: keep/delete ]

For context, "saurik" is the internet handle of Jay Freeman, the founder of Cydia. I believe this redirect should be deleted under reason #10 for deletion: saurik is notable and could have an article written about him and his work, which includes significant work apart from Cydia (Google Books search, articles like this one and this one, etc). It'd be helpful to leave this as a redlink indicating the possibility for an article about him, such as the link to saurik in Acer Iconia Tab A500, instead of redirecting the name to one project. (As disclosed on my user page, I work on Cydia with saurik, but I am writing this just as a Wikipedia editor.) Dreamyshade (talk) 08:11, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete to encourage article creation according to nom. Also some work is found at User:JoseySmith/Jay Freeman. I don't know why it is indexed in Google, but there you go. 野狼院ひさし _{Hisashi Yarouin} 14:35, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- There is also an article in the Spanish Wikipedia for him: w:es:Jay Freeman. Dreamyshade (talk) 20:01, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and tag {{r with possibilities}} ï¿½ (talk) 18:30, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as the target doesn't actually discuss saurik at all. I'm not terribly familiar with redirect deletion, but it seems that {{r with possibilities}} redriects should be kept only if the subject of the redirect is actually discussed in the article. – Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 03:01, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I found there's also a redirect from his real name to Cydia, so I proposed that redirect for deletion too: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 September 27#Jay Freeman. Dreamyshade (talk) 04:15, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've translated that, so Jay Freeman is no longer a redirect. More details at the RfD for Jay Freeman, as you give above. If anything, this should probably be Retargeted to there, not the company (if the article survives; not very RS.) Si Trew (talk) 21:07, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Scallion pancake

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was article moved over redirect. For future reference, WP:RM is the place to ask for this. Thryduulf (talk) 17:54, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Scallion pancake → Scallion Pancake (links to redirect • history • stats) [ Closure: keep/delete ]

Propose for Delete. I just did a move/rename on this article, so the previous redirect now redirects to itself. Thus, I don't believe this redirect is necessary anymore. Also, the existance of the redirect is preventing me from renaming the topic to a version using correct capitalization. EDIT: Also fixed capital letters in RfD request. WP:CAPITAL is still messing me up sometimes, sorry :). Remorseless Angel 讲 14:19, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete per G6 then according to nom. 野狼院ひさし _{Hisashi Yarouin} 14:35, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a standard {{R from other capitalisation}} and {{R from move}}. Speedy deletion here is astonishingly inappropriate and a good example of why G6 is too complicated. Thryduulf (talk) 15:38, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- I disagree. the existance of {{R from other capitalization}} doesn't address the fact that the existance of the redirect (now edited, because I'm a newbie editor and didn't know you could move directly into a redirect at the time) is preventing the article from being moved into the correct capitalization (in other words the article currently violates WP:NCCAPS). That falls right under the G6 criteria of "deleting redirects or other pages blocking page moves". {{R from move}} doesn't apply either since the article was moved from Cong you bing, not the other capitalized form. Remorseless Angel 讲 15:54, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - Ah, your nomination was unclear. You don't need RfD for this, just WP:RM. I'll do the move myself in a moment. Thryduulf (talk) 17:54, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.