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File:Trio Mandili.jpg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:01, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Copyrighted content from another source claimed under CC0 licence. High-resolution screenshot of a web page rather than an image itself. AtomCrusher (talk) 01:34, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relicense as fair use per nom. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 00:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - there is no evidence for the CC0 license and cannot be converted to non-free as this is an existing music group so a free image is possible. -- Whpq (talk) 05:16, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:King Tubby Meets Rockers Uptown (song).ogg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:01, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The sample is used in "Electronic dance music" (genre) and "King Tubbys Meets Rockers Uptown" (album). I'm not confident that the sample complies with WP:NFCC#8 and WP:NFCC#3a. The critical commentary in each article is insufficient to support the sample containing music and random vocals. Furthermore, there are too many samples in the genre article. George Ho (talk) 05:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete yeah let's really stick the knife in re:not letting readers significantly increase their understanding of the article topic, in no way is the omission of this crappy sample detrimental to their understanding of the subject, terminate with extreme prejudice! Good job bro, keep up the good work. Acousmana (talk) 12:15, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - There is no detailed purpose specified for either non-free usage rationales. For the album article, "The sound of the song" is the stated purpose and there is literally no commentary whatsoever about the song in the article that would explain why we need to hear the "sound of the song". For electronic dance, the purpose is "Sample of notable song". Simply stating this is a sound sample is a description of what the file is and not a purpose. And in any case, the song is dropped into the article with no reference to it whatsoever. These are very clear failures to meet WP:NFCC#8. -- Whpq (talk) 16:36, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Rapper's Delight sample.ogg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 07:06, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The sample is used in "Rapper's Delight" (song) as part of infobox, "Hip hop" section of the "Electronic dance music" article without a rationale, and "Sugarhill Gang (album)" without sufficient critical commentary (methinks). If the uses in those article fail WP:NFCC#3a and WP:NFCC#8, then the sample should be either deleted or removed from one of the articles. George Ho (talk) 06:05, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete yeah let's really stick the knife in re:not letting readers significantly increase their understanding of the article topic, in no way is the omission of this crappy sample detrimental to their understanding of the subject, terminate with extreme prejudice! Good job bro, keep up the good work. Acousmana (talk) 12:16, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete from Electronic dance music. Otherwise retain. Ceoil (talk) 23:33, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Donna Summer I Feel Love.ogg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Remove all usages except for the one in I Feel Love -FASTILY 00:40, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Uses of the sample in "I Feel Love" (song) as part of infobox, "Disco" (genre), and "Disco" section of "Electronic dance music" (genre) must be evaluated for their compliance with WP:NFCC#8 and WP:NFCC#3a. If any use fails, then the sample must be removed from at least one of the articles. George Ho (talk) 06:24, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: It's ok for use in "I Feel Love", which is the article that I uploaded it for. It was never intended to be used in the two other articles mentioned.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:36, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The obvious solution is to remove it from "Disco" (genre), and "Disco" section of "Electronic dance music" because its use in these articles is largely decorative. The specific use of the Moog synthesizers, sequencers etc is discussed in "I Feel Love" so it is within fair use guidelines there. If no-one objects, I'm going to remove it from "Disco" (genre), and "Disco" section of "Electronic dance music" because these aren't really needed.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed it from "Disco" (genre), and "Disco" section of "Electronic dance music" as it was never intended to be used in these articles. It is discussed in detail at "I Feel Love" and this is now the only place where the audio clip can be found.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:02, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously it belongs in the Disco article, but as the article is unwritten to the extent that it does not cover the songs contribution to establishing the music form's credibility, especially from the early 90s to present, is another matter. Pace supporting text, for which there are numerous sources, fine for now with removal. Ceoil (talk) 23:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

When I upload an audio clip from a song, it is intended for the article about the song. The problem with using it in other articles is that it sets off NFCC debates like this one.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:05, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah but, by uploading you loose any rights as to how its used, and my feeling is that its more than defensible in those pages. Nobody is saying it should be removed from the song article, not even the on a spree George Ho. Apologies if this causes stress, but readers are better served if we have it on these other two highly relevant pages. Ceoil (talk) 00:37, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Quoting Ceoil: by uploading you loose any rights as to how its used. Untrue; anybody has reservations on how non-free content is used. Consensus and WP:NFCC are part of the result of the discussion and should be enforced by anybody, including you and the uploader and admins. No matter how much you agree or disagree, consensus wins out. I hope you won't (try to) reinsert the audio sample in other articles after the results. Will you? George Ho (talk) 03:12, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously I can't control what happens to a non-free audio clip once it is uploaded, but due to basic NFCC rules it is not a good idea to use it in multiple articles. If a person wants to hear a brief audio clip of "I Feel Love", the best and standard way to do it is in the article about the song.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:34, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Trans-Europe Express sample.ogg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Remove all usages except for the one to Trans-Europe Express (song) -FASTILY 00:38, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The sample's compliance with WP:NFCC#3a and WP:NFCC#8 in "Electronic dance music", "Trans-Europe Express (album)", and "Trans-Europe Express (song)" must be evaluated. It should be removed from at least one of articles if the usage fails to comply. George Ho (talk) 06:49, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete yeah let's really stick the knife in re:not letting readers significantly increase their understanding of the article topic, in no way is the omission of this crappy sample detrimental to their understanding of the subject, terminate with extreme prejudice! Good job bro, keep up the good work. Acousmana (talk) 12:16, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Retain for "Trans-Europe Express (song)" where there is critical commentary about the song that is illustrated with this sample and "Trans-Europe Express (album)" where there is commentary that places this song and style within the overall album itself. Remove from "Electronic dance music" where there is no significant commentary. -- Whpq (talk) 21:54, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Per Whpq, Retain for "Trans-Europe Express (song)", the group, but not the song particularly, are relevant to the Electronic dance music article. Ceoil (talk) 23:29, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:YMO - Firecracker.ogg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Remove from all except for Glitter (soundtrack) & Loverboy (Mariah Carey song) -FASTILY 00:40, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

File:YMO - Firecracker.ogg (delete | talk | history | links | logs)

Uncertain whether the sample usages in "Electronic dance music", ~~"Glitter (soundtrack)", "Loverboy (Mariah Carey song)",~~ and "Yellow Magic Orchestra (album)" comply with WP:NFCC#3a and WP:NFCC#8, especially when sufficient critical commentary is needed. George Ho (talk) 07:00, 18 January 2021 (UTC); edited, 07:10, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh darn. There is sufficient critical commentary in "Glitter (soundtrack)" and "Loverboy (Mariah Carey song)", helping the sample meet NFCC. --George Ho (talk) 07:10, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete yeah let's really stick the knife in re:not letting readers significantly increase their understanding of the article topic, in no way is the omission of this crappy sample detrimental to their understanding of the subject, terminate with extreme prejudice! Good job bro, keep up the good work. Acousmana (talk) 12:16, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Acousmana: I've explained my reasons for listing the samples here, but I've wondered whether you've bothered reading them and reviewing the articles I've mentioned. In this case, I mentioned that the sample may be supported by critical commentary in the articles about Glitter soundtrack and/or "Loverboy" by Mariah Carey. However, you've just randomly copied-and-pasted your rationale in almost every other listing, and I think your rationale would come across as sarcastic (if not passively aggressive). Also, you've given me a Barnstar with your sarcastic (and possibly passive aggressive) tone and rationale at my talk page, which I reverted and found unwelcoming. Maybe you should reconsider votes if you don't take them seriously. George Ho (talk) 19:20, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I 100% support your effort to expunge all audio examples relevent to the history of electronic dance music, I applaud your commendable effort and your willingness to exact the full force of WP:NFCC#8 on all offending items. Thank you. Acousmana (talk) 13:55, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Acousmana: You keep missing the point with these repetitive sarcastic replies. It is OK to have an audio clip from a song in the article about the song itself. It isn't OK to have the use of these clips spread over multiple articles.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:11, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Let's Groove by Earth, Wind & Fire.ogg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:01, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Usages in "Let's Groove" as part of infobox, "Electronic dance music", and "Post-disco" must be reviewed for their compliance with WP:NFCC#8. As of date, I don't see sufficient critical commentary supporting the usages in those articles. George Ho (talk) 08:16, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete yeah let's really stick the knife in re:not letting readers significantly increase their understanding of the article topic, in no way is the omission of this crappy sample detrimental to their understanding of the subject, terminate with extreme prejudice! Good job bro, keep up the good work. Acousmana (talk) 12:17, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Michael Jackson - Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'.ogg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:01, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sample currently used in "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" and "Post-disco" must be reviewed for its compliance with WP:NFCC#8/WP:NFC#CS. George Ho (talk) 09:14, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Planet Rock (song).ogg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Remove all usages except for the one to Planet Rock (song) -FASTILY 00:38, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the sample is suited well at Planet Rock (song); there's enough critical commentary at that article to comply with WP:NFCC#8. However, I can't say the same about the usage in "Electronic dance music". Without sufficient critical commentary, the sample should be removed from the genre article. George Ho (talk) 09:46, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete yeah let's really stick the knife in re:not letting readers significantly increase their understanding of the article topic, in no way is the omission of this crappy sample detrimental to their understanding of the subject, terminate with extreme prejudice! Good job bro, keep up the good work. Acousmana (talk) 12:17, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Jesse Saunders - On and On.ogg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:01, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

File:Jesse Saunders - On and On.ogg (delete | talk | history | links | logs)

The sample of "On and On" may fail WP:NFCC#8 in the following articles: "Chicago house", "Electronic dance music", "House music", "Jesse Saunders". Not enough critical commentary in those article AFAIK. George Ho (talk) 10:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete yeah let's really stick the knife in re:not letting readers significantly increase their understanding of the article topic, in no way is the omission of this crappy sample detrimental to their understanding of the subject, terminate with extreme prejudice! Good job bro, keep up the good work. Acousmana (talk) 12:18, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Mr Fingers - Can You Feel It.ogg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:01, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The sample is used in the following articles: "Can You Feel It (Larry Heard song)", "Chicago house", "Deep house", "Electronic dance music", and "House music". As of date, the critical commentary associated with the sample may be either absent or insufficient in those articles, resulting in failure with WP:NFCC#8. I could stand corrected about critical commentary. Still, having too many samples in one genre article would clash with WP:NFCC#3a. George Ho (talk) 10:51, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete yeah let's really stick the knife in re:not letting readers significantly increase their understanding of the article topic, in no way is the omission of this crappy sample detrimental to their understanding of the subject, terminate with extreme prejudice! Good job bro, keep up the good work. Acousmana (talk) 12:18, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Phuture - Acid Tracks.ogg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: relisted on 2021 February 8. FASTILY 00:41, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

File:Phuture - Acid Tracks.ogg (delete | talk | history | links | logs)

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File:A Guy Called Gerald 28 Gun Bad Boy.ogg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Remove from Electronic dance music -FASTILY 00:40, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Currently used at 28 Gun Bad Boy (album), Electronic dance music, and History of drum and bass. The sample's compliance with WP:NFCC#8 must be reviewed. If the sample fails, then it should be removed from at least one of the articles. George Ho (talk) 12:35, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete sterling job! keep lining them up, we'll soon have every dance music track deleted, we don't want anything that will help readers increase their understanding of the topic, omission of this crappy sample will not be detrimental to their understanding of the subject. Aces bud, keep up the good work. Acousmana (talk) 12:18, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep in 28 Gun Bad Boy and History of drum and bass, Remove from the very broad overview article Electronic dance music. Ceoil (talk) 20:33, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Kasey Rogers (actor, television actor, film actor, born 1925).jpg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: No action. In the unlikely event that the Commons file is kept, we can revisit the WP:NFCC#1 compliance of this image -FASTILY 00:40, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This file might be replaceable with the Commons file commons:File:Kasey Rogers (actor, television actor, film actor, born 1925).jpg. I am filing this at FFD rather than Template:rfu because I am not sure about the Commons licence as "not renewed" Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 14:02, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wait I recently requested the commons file be deleted because of the lack of info given regarding if the copyright was or was not renewed, or if a search was even performed to confirm so. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 01:46, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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