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Multiiple CC BY-SA licenses categories

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename to versions with ranges. Elli (talk | contribs) 14:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename to match parent and siblings in Category:Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike files. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can we use a range in the title instead (1.0–2.5, 1.0–3.0, 1.0–4.0)? Gonnym (talk) 19:22, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have a slight preference for explicitly listing each license – mostly due to the awkwardness of version 2.5 – but I would not lose sleep over a range. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:23, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Circling back, I prefer a range. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 18:13, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Political parties of minorities in Canada

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The result of the discussion was: split the indigenous parties. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: In Canada indigenous people are not classified as minorities source Moxy🍁 19:00, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • In that case, shouldn't the category be renamed rather than deleted? Marcocapelle (talk) 20:00, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I guess we could use Category:Indigenous political parties in Canada as a sub group of Category:Indigenous politics in Canada. Moxy🍁 20:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural oppose. I'm not necessarily wedded to the need for this, but the stated rationale is completely off base as not everything in the category is an "indigenous" party at all — there are also Quebec sovereigntist parties, an Acadian party and a Ukrainian Canadian party in here, all of which have nothing whatsoever to do with indigenous peoples. So as constituted, the nomination is completely misconceived: it's an argument for either purging this category of the indigenous parties or splitting a new separate category off for the indigenous parties, but neither deleting this category nor renaming it would solve the problem since not everything in the category is an indigenous party at all. Bearcat (talk) 12:01, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Responses to Bearcat's points/alternative proposals would be appreciated!
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Not really. Since the parent category is Category:Political parties of minorities by country, rolling up to Category:Political parties of minorities, this has to stay in phase with that — so there would have to be a new batch rename of that entire tree to "political parties of ethnic groups" across the board, and this can't be renamed in isolation. Bearcat (talk) 12:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • As I suggested above, we could easily split off the indigenous parties here to a separate new category for indigenous parties, while leaving the non-indigenous parties in the existing category. Bearcat (talk) 16:17, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Split per Queen of Hearts. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sportspeople by Canadian province or territory and sport

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus for any changes. However, there is consensus that something does need to change. Therefore, I would recommend a larger discussion which will hopefully address the concerns of those opposed to dealing with this mini-tree in isolation. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 18:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: per previous precedents. Moved to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Which province or territory? What country? Can a Canadian player play in a Baseball team in the Northern Territory? This creates a problem that the previous naming convention did not have. Gonnym (talk) 13:54, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any issue or confusion here. Its for categorizing by birth place or place where they grew up, not where they played. Majority of categories are named like this. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:26, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Omnis Scientia: you stated at CFDS that Many recent precedents have changed that and its now supposed to be "Foo sportspeople by region". Please would you link to some of these recent precedents? – Fayenatic London 10:54, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fayenatic london. Off the top of my head, here are a few recent Cfds that I remember: this, this, and this. There are a few others as well but I can't remember when and what they were about. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:29, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also that is how Category:American sportspeople by state is titled. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fayenatic london, you never responded to this. Just a reminder. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: After a month, we simply need more participation to achieve consensus here. People who support a wider discussion: Do you support this nomination as a first step, or do you oppose addressing one sub-tree without addressing the entire tree? People in support of renaming, do you agree with Fayenatic london's most recent suggestion for an alt rename of Category:Sportspeople by Canadian province or territory and sport?
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Cooperative video games by platform

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Category:Office and Professional Employees International Union

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The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 18:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete; only one article about the subject itself. Merge "leaders" category which has only three articles. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:41, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge the leaders category but into Category:Office and Professional Employees International Union. Keep the head category.--User:Namiba 15:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The Clarion-Ledger people

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. Lost in Quebec (talk) 13:16, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Court Treasurers

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Category:History of the Middle East

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge or reverse merge, Middle East and West Asia are too similar to keep them in separate category trees. I will tag both categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:23, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Close Enough

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only contains a single article. (Oinkers42) (talk) 05:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Agriculture ministers of Bangladesh

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The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Standardizing category titles for consistency and easier navigation. HueMan1 (talk) 01:41, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Antisemitism in China

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The result of the discussion was: purge with no consensus on whether the category should continue to exist. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:11, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: this category contains only three articles: a main article, a media, and an Internet celebrity, Not to mention that anti-Semitism in China has only appeared on the Internet in recent years. Coddlebean (talk) 04:14, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I am seeing consensus to purge, but no clear consensus on whether this should be kept.
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I think that we should purge and if there's more than two pages left, the category can be kept. (I'm using two as a benchmark because two pages can be clearly wikilinked). Mason (talk) 01:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Characters in Greek mythology by location

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The result of the discussion was: rename all as nominated. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
More categories
Nominator's rationale: I have added these categories to Category:Mythological people by nationality (most as subcats of Category:Mythological Greek people‎), and I think the category tree would be better served using the same naming structure as Category:Legendary people by nationality and Category:Fictional people by nationality. It would open the scope to mythological people from any mythology not just Greek. Mclay1 (talk) 13:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose — consistency is good, but we should never seek it at the expense of utility. The proposed change loses a lot of clarity — few readers will know what an “Aegenitan” is, but the “Greek mythology” in the current category helps them. On the inclusion of non-Greek mythology, the only relevant category would be Roman mythology, and there’s nothing stopping a page being in two categories if that is helpful. UndercoverClassicist T·C 13:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe having "Greek" in the category name provides much clarity. Most of the categories will be subcategories of Category:Mythological Greek people anyway. We have the category Category:Ancient Aeginetans. If there is an issue with using accurate names for peoples in case readers aren't aware of those names, we could rename Category:Ancient Aeginetans to Category:People from ancient Aegina and the mythology category can be Category:Mythological people from Aegina, which is also a lot clearer than the current category name. I don't mind which name we use; it doesn't affect the point of the move. Mclay1 (talk) 13:59, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support most of them Sounds reasonable enough. I am not certain about "Iolcians", since I have never encountered this term. Dimadick (talk) 13:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I believe that's the correct term, but for the avoidance of doubt, it could be called Category:Mythological people from Iolcus, which would follow the parent category Category:People from Iolcus (although that category is otherwise empty and maybe should be upmerged). Mclay1 (talk) 14:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, lack of awareness what the categories mean is not a good argument because categories are based on defining characteristics. For example Aeacus was a king of Aegina. If you do not know what Aegina is and you want to know then the information about it is just a mouse-click away. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:10, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as formulated; suggest Fooians in Greek mythology instead. Having the name of the people first is useful, as it is the most intuitive way to identify and search for them; having dozens of categories all beginning with "mythological" is much less so. Specifying that they appear in Greek mythology is also helpful for readers (and very few will occur in both Greek mythology and any other, except for some who may also occur in Roman mythology, but even that number will be small if direct borrowings are excluded). However, "characters" is not helpful; what is the purpose of distinguishing characters from (persons) by nationality? "Characters" also has the unwanted effect of implying that they are all fictional, whereas mythology does not involve the truth or reality of the persons concerned, and some of the persons may have been historical (and in antiquity, many, perhaps most persons in Greek mythology were regarded as historical). P Aculeius (talk) 10:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Thoughts on P Aculeius's suggestion?
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  • I like Category:Mythological Acarnanians (as proposed) better than Category:Acarnanians in Greek mythology, for brevity, but I am not wholly against the alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • P Aculeius's suggestion is a slight improvement on the current name but I still prefer my proposal as it is consistent with the naming structure of other category trees and, although there won't be many entries from outside of Greek mythology, it accounts for that situation. Mythological Fooians and Fooians in Greek mythology are different but overlapping categorisation structures, and it's probably not necessary to have both, so it's a case of deciding which is more useful. Hypothetically, if there is a mythological person from Arcadia in Roman mythology, there is currently no Arcadia-related category the article could be placed in, other than Category:Ancient Arcadians, and I'm not sure that mythological people should be listed amongst real people (though I think it's fine for the mythological people categories to be subcategories of the real people categories, just as fictional and legendary people are). Also, as a related note, there are a few categories in the proposal (such as Category:Lapiths in Greek mythology‎ to Category:Lapiths) that don't need "in Greek mythology" in either situation because they're mythological peoples that only exist primarily in Greek mythology. Mclay1 (talk) 03:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Histories of cities in North Korea

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Histories of cities in Korea. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:43, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I think we should merge/create a Korean-wide Category:Histories of cities in Korea as an alternative target. I think that it's fine to have Histories of cities in South Korea in the new category. There are many examples were the SK category is sufficiently populated, but the NK category doesn't exist yet. Mason (talk) 00:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Mason's suggestion?
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Category:1990s religious comedy films

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Category:Beyincé family

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Knowles–Carter family. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I don't know why this category for Beyoncé's family is named after the surname of her non-notable maternal grandfather and much less famous cousin Angela Beyincé. Her mother (Tina Knowles) was born with the surname "Beyonce". On the other hand, her father (Mathew Knowles) has an article and his surname is more well-known. It would be best to expand this category to include all members of Beyoncé's and Jay-Z's family, with the focus on them since they are objectively the most notable members. Mclay1 (talk) 04:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge?
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Category:Monarchs of South Africa

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Category:Heroes who ventured to Hades

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Katabasis in classical mythology. Clear consensus to rename; weak consensus that this is the preferred target. No prejudice against a fresh nomination for further renaming. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 18:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Currently a very poetic name, and ambiguous because Hades can also refer to the god. It's a subcategory of Category:Katabasis (a journey to the underworld). Renaming would expand the scope to depictions of katabasis in classical mythology and not just heroes (the category currently contains Sisyphus, who was not a hero) and not just Greek mythology (the category currently contains Aeneas, whose story was part of Roman mythology). Mclay1 (talk) 15:47, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Comments on rename target?
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Relisting comment: Same question: Comment on rename target?
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  • Comment: I wasn't familiar with the term "katabasis", but as long as there are appropriate links and redirects, it should be okay. "Katabasis in classical mythology" seems preferable to "katabasis in Greek mythology" since there is likely to be overlap between Greek and Roman subjects (and perhaps Greek- and Roman-adjacent ones). Odysseus/Ulysses and Heracles/Hercules were popular subjects in both. Æneas is a figure from Greek myth, but the story of his descent into the underworld was told by Vergil (not sure if he originated it). I'm pretty sure that katabasis exists in other mythologies (Hermod's journey to Hel in Norse myth; there are possibly Celtic or Slavic tales of this kind, and perhaps many others around the world), but they wouldn't likely overlap (much) with Greek and Roman myth. P Aculeius (talk) 11:18, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Governors of the Ottoman Empire by century

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The result of the discussion was: merge/rename as nominated. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:29, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This is category only has one isolated category in it, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 14:21, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, this is easily solvable by creating new categories. I’ll do it when I get back to my computer. Aintabli (talk) 14:25, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will add the subcategories to the nomination.
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I have no opinion on whether this is a good idea or not. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:06, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I meant that we should merge within century, not across century. Mason (talk) 01:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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