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Scholars under the Almoravid dynasty

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:27, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Scientists under the Almoravid dynasty
Propose deleting Category:Astronomers under the Almoravid dynasty
Propose deleting Category:Mathematicians under the Almoravid dynasty
Propose deleting Category:Physicians under the Almoravid dynasty

Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only one article in every of the subcategories, moreover it is the same article in all three. Merging is not needed, the article is already in Category:Almoravid writers and in the tree of Category:Astronomers of the medieval Islamic world etc. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:46, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- Keep up the good work in eliminating small categories, merging where necessary. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:41, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - WP:SMALLCAT has exceptions, among them is one that allows small categories if they are "part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme, such as subdividing...flags in Category:Flags by country". As subdividing mathematicians/astronomers/physicians/scientists by country is an accepted sub-categorization scheme, the count of Almoravid articles should be irrelevant. Besides, readers should be able to immediately tell which scientists lived in the Almoravid empire without having to do any guesswork by repeatedly intersecting various categories until there is match (like say "Astronomers of the medieval Islamic world" and "Almoravid Empires" to figure out astronomers under Almoravid). Al-Andalusi (talk) 07:15, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is no large established tree of astronomers by former country and we will never have that because the level of astronomy varies widely between former countries. The only article that this discussion is about, Avempace, is already in Category:Astronomers of Al-Andalus and Category:Almoravid writers which makes it very easy to find some 20 + 6 other articles that have the strongest commonality with Avempace. There is no point figuring out which other Almoravid astronomers articles exist if there aren't any others. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:04, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 21:03, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Current scheme seems unnecessary and a case of overcategorization. 🌊PacificDepths^talk|contrib 02:04, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. — Mugtheboss (talk) 16:54, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Books about West Papua

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The result of the discussion was: double merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:27, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Books about West Papua to Category:Books about Western New Guinea

Nominator's rationale: The original member page Poisoned Arrows is about travels in Irian Jaya, the region now known as Western New Guinea, not just the archipelago now known as West Papua (province). – Fayenatic London 15:17, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Category:Works about Western New Guinea per WP:SMALLCAT. If kept, rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:25, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 08:42, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 21:01, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Fayenatic london: could you respond on the merge alternative? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:54, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, as the only other book I can find on this region is Throwim Way Leg. Double merge, then, also to Category:Books about Indonesia. – Fayenatic London 20:48, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Contact binary (small Solar System body)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 28#Category:Contact binary (small Solar System body)

Category:Wikipedian New Pages Feed patrollers

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:28, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Wikipedian New Pages Feed patrollers to Category:Wikipedian new page patrollers

Nominator's rationale: This may have served a purpose it was created in 2012 as Special:NewPagesFeed was a new tool, but now it's utterly pointless as nearly every new page patroller uses the New Pages Feed. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:07, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support, no longer a defining characteristic. — Mugtheboss (talk) 16:59, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Mahsa Amini

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:29, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Mahsa Amini to Category:Mahsa Amini protests

Nominator's rationale: No content for the top-level category, no reason for it to exist. Move the main article to Category:Mahsa Amini protests (where {{catmain}} already links it). ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:10, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:07, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. 🌊PacificDepths^talk|contrib — Preceding undated comment added 02:05, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge somehow -- The normal outcome for a person who was NN in life, but whose death is notable is "Death of ...". I agree that multiple categories are unnecessary. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:42, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and I would also like to point out that the user who created this category appears to have created several categories revolving around the Mahsa Amini protests and I don't see the need for any of them. Charles Essie (talk) 18:10, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Democrats and Republicans

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 28#Democrats and Republicans

Category:Ancient Egyptian overseers of fields

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:00, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Ancient Egyptian overseers of fields (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, for us 21st-century Wikipedia users this is a meaningless title. It is also a case of WP:SMALLCAT, just one article in the category. There is no need to merge to officials because the article is already in Category:Viziers of the Twelfth Dynasty of Egypt. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:44, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- probably not a defining position. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:57, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. 🌊PacificDepths^talk|contrib 19:20, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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actually Overseers of fields was a high position at the Ancient Egypt royal court with many highest officials in this position (look at him Userhet was one of the very few officials with the honor of a tomb in the Valley of the Kings). I would want to restore this Category. It is somehow weird that here, people decide on a subject that they know very little about it.Udimu (talk) 08:55, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He had a tomb in the Valley of the Kings, hence the rank is presumably important, is an excellent example of WP:SYNTH. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:28, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cities and towns under jurisdiction of Moscow

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 28#Category:Cities and towns under jurisdiction of Moscow