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Category:Trials in Great Britain

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Trials in the Kingdom of Great Britain. Re: the deletion issue that was raised, if anyone would like to nominate the category for deletion (or dispersion to Category:Trials in England and Category:Trials in Scotland), feel free to do so. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:12, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category does not need to hold the subcategories Category:Trials in England and Category:Trials in Scotland, because it is an unnecessary level below Category:Trials in the United Kingdom. If it is to be used, it should instead be used to categorize all trials within Great Britain before its union with Ireland (1707-1801). —Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 22:56, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Reply By that logic, then Category:Trials in the United Kingdom ought to be deleted also. It is not true to say that a few more constituencies were added to the Parliament of England to cater for additions from Scotland & Ireland. After the Treaty of Union in 1707, Acts of Parliament passed in the Parliament of England and the Parliament of Scotland created a new Kingdom of Great Britain and dissolved both parliaments, replacing them with a new Parliament of Great Britain based in the former home of the English parliament. So only the meeting place was the same. That two legal traditions exist in the same state is not to say that trials - under either tradition - do not take place in that state. There were trials in Scotland. There were trials in England. And from 1707-1801 there were trials in the newly minted state of the Kingdom of Great Britain. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:43, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Possibly there is no true or false in this discussion and is it just a case of two oppositie POVs. Regardless, Wikipedia has a history of categorizing by Kingdom of Great Britain and we should keep consistency with that. If anyone would like to nominate the whole tree of Category:Kingdom of Great Britain, just go ahead, but while the tree still exists we should not randomly create holes in it. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:16, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Taxa named by Kiavash Golzarianpour

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:09, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT: author is redlinked and category is only populated by two articles (I tried and failed to find more). They don't appear to have described many other species. Limited potential for growth. For more info about this and related categories created by this user, see discussion here. Enwebb (talk) 22:29, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Taxa named by Roberta Barbieri

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:09, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT: author is redlinked and category is only populated by two articles (I tried and failed to find more). She doesn't appear to have described many other species. Limited potential for growth. For more info about this and related categories created by this user, see discussion here. Enwebb (talk) 22:18, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Taxa named by Asghar Abdoli

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT: author is redlinked and category is only populated by one article. He doesn't appear to have described many other species. Limited potential for growth. For more info about this and related categories created by this user, see discussion here. Enwebb (talk) 21:27, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Armenian-controlled territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:07, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, Armenian control was just a temporary status, so we should not categorize by it. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:55, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy discussion
  • Indeed, the fact that these places were occupied in the past is probably not defining. We have Category:Military occupation for articles about occupations themselves, but if we started to categorize articles about places (i.e. every town, village and field) by every former military power which once held them, there would be no end to that. Place Clichy (talk) 10:06, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@CuriousGolden and Place Clichy: pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:01, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Orissa before 2011

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The result of the discussion was: option A rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:03, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Odisha, a state in India, was named Orissa until 2011. The parent chronology categories (option B) therefore use the name Orissa before that year. However, User:Johnpacklambert thinks we should use Odisha for all categories, and has created the establishments-by-year categories (option A). He opposes speedy renaming to match, hence this full nomination is required. – Fayenatic London 16:04, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to Orissa. I have been convinced that this is the best way to reflect the situation at the time. I still feel that many people are not appreciating the huge amount of work and close precision that is needed to split up this India establishment categories. I had to fill two sides of a paper with the exact creation date for each and every Indian state, and to mark which state that state was created from, to even begin to undertake this project.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:22, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • @John Pack Lambert: your comments about the huge amount of work are unpersuasive, because a) you are not the only person doing that work; b) it's not that complex; c) you set low standards. You created a significant number of inadequately parented categories: some had only one parent. Even when this was pointed out, and your attention was drawn to {{EstcatIndiastate}}, you didn't go back to fix the mangled categories you had created. I fixed a bunch of them last night, which was six days after your attention was drawn to the problem on 5 March.
      Despite having left your own lazy errors unfixed for four days, on 9 March you hypocritically lashed out at FL[1] for civilly pointing out this naming problem. You wrote of attacks by lazy editors who do nothing but criticize those of us who actually put in the work.
      In summary, you have been making lots of errors, but have repeatedly responded with hostility to thoroughly civil comments about them. You have accused others of being lazy, even tho you are too lazy to fix your own errors. Then then you claim to be underappreciated ... but you don't seem to understand why. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:29, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Option A -- We have had this discussion many times over renamed countries e.g. Belgian Congo/Zaire/DRC. The solution is to avoid anachronism, by using the English spelling applicable at the time. However, since Orissa and Odisha are the same state, parents should not be split. According Category:21st century in Odisha should be the parent to Category:2000s in Orissa. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:21, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Option A. --Just N. (talk) 17:33, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment More categories have been created that use Odisha pre-2011 since this discussion was started. Although we now have both Category:2001 establishments in Odisha and Category:2001 establishments in Orissa.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:42, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support option A - using Odisha prior to the name-change is ahistorical, problematic if we would apply same standard to Chennai, Mumbai, etc.. --Soman (talk) 12:56, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Deaths from cardiovascular disease

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The result of the discussion was: delete as too routine a cause of death to be defining. BD2412 T 04:40, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Propose deleting:
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING cause of death. Recreation of Category:Cardiovascular disease deaths, which was deleted at WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 December 20#Category:Cardiovascular_disease_deaths. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:34, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The subcat has since been tagged by another editor. (I would have shared your concern about orphaning a subcat.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 23:20, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:COVID-19 vaccination programmes

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Inaccurate name. These are not all vaccination programmes. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 15:03, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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People of Hainanese descent

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The result of the discussion was: delete/merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:57, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge/delete, we do not categorize people by the region or city where their ancestors have been living, like in this case the province Hainan, per WP:COPHERITAGE. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:06, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Chilean marxists

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The result of the discussion was: delete as duplicate of Category:Chilean Marxists. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:28, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This seems to be a total duplicate category of this with a lowercase "M". Chillabit (talk) 04:18, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Daniel Barenboim

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:56, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON. A single related article doesn't warrant an eponymous category. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 03:40, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Adding relatives does not add any justification for the need for this category. Thanks. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 16:14, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Kentucky colonels

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete. G4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_March_22#Category:Kentucky_colonels Fences&Windows 01:30, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not entirely sure what is happening here, but this appears to be a category for people given an honorary title and thus non-defining. User:Namiba 02:57, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I read the talk page as you suggested. The problem was never that the category was too small since the award is given out widely; the problem was that it was only defining to Colonel Sanders. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:11, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Caribbean Series players

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Category:Caribbean Series managers also exists but was not included in this nomination. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:55, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:PERFCAT; this is a trial balloon for many of its sibling categories in the Category:Baseball players by competition. We recently got rid of a similar Super Bowl category (here) and a few other bicycle racing ones here and here. Ultimately, sportspeople play in numerous venues and events and our precedent is that this is not defining. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:28, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. And that goes both ways: if there are acting jobs that are generally long-term careers, that could be defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:49, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There is an ongoing discussion about including sportspeople.--User:Namiba 15:22, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Crown (Württemberg)

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:53, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD, WP:PERFCAT, WP:OVERLAPCAT)
When high ranking foreign leaders from visited the German Kingdom of Württemberg or vice versa, the Order of the Crown (Württemberg) is given out as souvenir. Alexander II of Russia, Ludwig III of Bavaria, George V, and Prince Charles of Prussia are not remotely defined by this award. (There are also a small percentage of local people like Prince August of Württemberg and William II of Württemberg but they are already well categorized under Category:Political office-holders in Württemberg, Category:House of Württemberg, etc.) There wasn't a list so I created a collapsible right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:02, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of Hilal-e-Kashmir

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (At the close, the category had already been deleted via G7.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:52, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:SMALLCAT and likely WP:OCAWARD)
The Hilal-e-Kashmir is an award issued by Pakistani-administered section of the disputed Kashmir area. There is only 1 article in this category, Saif Ali Janjua, which could use some further editor attention. I can't really say the category contents are "listified" but that 1 biography is already linked in right here in the main article. For what's it's worth, that 1 article does mention the award in the lede but since the award and 1 recipient already link to each other, this category doesn't serve a navigational function and I can't find any other articles to add. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:02, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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