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Category:Fagus[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 August 8#Category:Fagus

Category:Donalds[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Donald mountains. bibliomaniac15 03:27, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: to disambiguate from the other titles listed at Donalds. Since this is asset category, the proposed new name is the plural of the head article Donald (hill). BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:15, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Formal vote: alt rename to Category:Donald mountains. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:04, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ooops! OK, I support the alt rename to Category:Donald mountains. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:55, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Don Valley[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Don River (Ontario). bibliomaniac15 03:38, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Don Valley is a disambiguation page. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:13, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional military brats[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 13:15, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not WP:CATDEFINING, any more than fictional offspring of doctors or lawyers (though Indian Native American chiefs may have a shot). Clarityfiend (talk) 23:01, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cuniculus[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Cuniculus (genus) Timrollpickering (talk) 13:19, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming:
Option A
Option B
Nominator's rationale: The current title Cuniculus is a disambiguation page. The category should be renamed to match either Cuniculus (genus) or (the redirected scientific name) or the redirect target Paca. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:07, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to avoid ambiguity. Option A is consistent with the general usage of scientific names in biology categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cualac[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 13:16, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT, since it contains only one page.

If kept it should be renamed to either Cualac (fish) (the redirected scientific name) or the redirect target Checkered pupfish. The current title Cualac is a disambiguation page. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:03, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Corydon[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. More specifically, upmerge to Category:Eurylaimidae. bibliomaniac15 02:36, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT, since it contains only one page.
If kept it should be renamed to either Corydon (bird) (the redirected scientific name) or the redirect target Dusky broadbill. The current title Corydon is a disambiguation page. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:47, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Participants seasons[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename all Timrollpickering (talk) 13:19, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's rationale: Better match with contents, and with parents Category:UEFA Champions League participants seasons / Category:UEFA Europa League participants seasons. Note: the 2019-20 categories were initially tagged by 94.178.234.44 (talk · contribs) in April for speedy renaming, but were not listed. – Fayenatic London 21:38, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question, isn't this a case of a trivial intersection? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:08, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 11:35, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Chelonia[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 17#Category:Chelonia

Category:Castanea[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 17#Category:Castanea

Category:Achaeans[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 13:20, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: per what should be the head article Achaeans (Homer). The bare title Achaeans is a disambiguation page.
Alternatively delete per WP:SMALLCAT, since it contains only one article. I dunno enough about the topic to know whether it is a reasonable possibility of expansion, or whether such expansion would help. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:14, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Category:Media featuring female antagonists[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 09:04, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Created the former while I was unaware of the later. Both are identical in purpose, but could be combined to improve Category:Female villains (Oinkers42) (talk) 17:04, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, not all antagonists are villains. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:36, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose One seems to be about the work featuring the character, the other is about the characters. Dimadick (talk) 09:42, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Withdrawn due to above. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:20, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Black projects[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 13:21, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There doesn't appear to be any clear distinction between these categories. DexDor (talk) 16:48, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom, assuming that all content is US-related. The term 'black project' is too ambiguous, also because it is not clear whether it refers to all secret military projects or just the American ones. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:06, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • It could also (badly) refer to housing projects aimed at African-Americans. Too ambiguous. Grutness...wha? 04:38, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge that meaning wasn't my first thought, seeing it. Johnbod (talk) 00:42, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fairy Tail episode lists[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 13:17, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This page was recently blanked, removing the categories which set off a red flag. Before we revert, is there going to be more than one list? Fuddle (talk) 12:57, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete unless the category is better populated, but it is unlikely that this will happen. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:18, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Asylum buildings in the United Kingdom[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. bibliomaniac15 03:41, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:

This was created a few years ago as a replacement for a category that did not follow the rules, unfortunately, I was unable to take part in the discussions at that time, and I am not happy with the result, so I'd like to re-visit the topic if I may.

The intention was to create a category that brought together all the historical UK asylum buildings purpose built between 1830 and ~1910. These being of a similar very distinctive design (actually there were just two design frameworks) and history of creation.

I have three issues with the current title:

  1. Some of these asylums were not intended or used for psychiatric services, but instead were built as asylums for other conditions, such as learning difficulties, or epilepsy. As the buildings were of broadly the same design and age, it seems sensible to include them in this category as the aim is to link the buildings whose function was a place of safety and treatment rather than a condition.
  2. Some of these asylums are still in use as hospitals. St Bernard's Hospital, Hanwell in West London being one.
  3. Some of these buildings are also in Wales and others may be in Scotland, Northern Ireland and other UK islands too, so I feel this category should cover the whole of the UK where the building design and broad function is the same.

Alternatively we may consider that there is a need for a 'former psychiatric hospital category' as a separate categorisation.Ianmurray5 (talk) 16:05, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment and request: the category is from 2009, that is quite a bit older than "a few years ago". Please provide a link to the discussion that you are unhappy with. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:02, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Response from Nominator: The original conversation may have been lost when the category was renamed. Ianmurray5 (talk)
  • It certainly seems to me like these are two completely different categories. I don't support changing the Former psychiatric hospitals in England category at all, since that implies that it's a psychiatric hospital, in England, no longer in use, whereas the nom seeks to group specific hospitals built during a specific time frame. We already have specific Scotland and Wales categories as well, if any of these hospitals are miscategorised they should be properly re-categorised, so we don't need to upmerge this to the UK. SportingFlyer T·C 17:23, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Response from Nominator: I agree, my only reason for suggesting a change is that I proposed this in the first place in 2008, but my category name and use was subsequently changed by others to not mean my intention. Ianmurray5 (talk)
  • Oppose "asylum" has many meanings other than psychiatric hospitals. Asylum is a disambiguation page, including churches, orphanages, and all sorts of things... Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:28, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with Carlossuarez46. Asylum is now too ambiguous to be used in this way. Rathfelder (talk) 16:00, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Response from Nominator: I agree my intention was for this to be an architectural style used for a period of time when perhaps 100 UK built asylum (hospital) buildings for psychiatry, learning disabilities, and others were built to one design with wards made from enlarged corridors, and with a later modification of stand-alone large houses or villas. I felt a category encompassing these similar buildings was a sensible addition, regardless of whether still standing, original use or current use. This style of building was not, as far as I am aware, used for churches, or orphanages. These groups of buildings usually included a church, a ballroom, farmland and other outbuildings (stables, blacksmith shops, laundries, etc. and were designed to be a place of safety and treatment for those suffering from a range of illnesses of the mind. Ianmurray5 (talk)
  • Oppose per above and also there is no article about asylums as an architectural style. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:25, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Procedural relist, was not properly tagged until today.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 07:27, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Response from Nominator: Yes, I think that this is the talk written after my creation of this category and subsequently removed/redesigned. I would be happy with a new category with a name that links this type of buildings together in the UK. Scroll down this page to see map images of this type of building.

In addition to the sire above, here are examples that were not psychiatric asylums:

Ianmurray5 (talk)

  • The suggestion in the previous discussion to create an article with a list, instead of a category, is still valid. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:44, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bristol buses[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 13:22, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: to clarify its scope as a set category for vehicles produced by Bristol Commercial Vehicles. The current title Bristol buses is a dab page, and if there is a primary topic it is Buses in Bristol. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:16, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Boston Braves[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 13:22, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To clarify its scope. The bare title Boston Braves is a disambiguation page. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:07, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bobrek[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 13:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Only two articles about this area of Bytom. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:03, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Black family[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:52, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category is for the family of Canadian newspaper owner and fraudster Conrad Black. Conrad isn't currently in the category, but even if he was added, there would still be only 4 pages.
If kept, the category needs renaming (possibly to Category:Black family (Canada)), because Black family is highly ambiguous. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:55, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Big Three[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 13:17, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Propose deleting:
Nominator's rationale: per WP:SHAREDNAME.These categories are just a grouping of entities named "big three". BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:14, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Aura[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 13:24, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: disambiguation. The bare word "Aura" is highly ambiguous, and this small video game series is definitely not the primary topic at the dab page Aura. The convention of Category:Video game franchises is to disambiguate with "(video game series)". BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:59, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Assumption[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Assumption (reasoning). bibliomaniac15 03:40, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Disambiguation. The bare word is highly ambiguous: see the lengthy dab page Assumption. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:54, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Renaming to Category:assumption (reasoning)? Logic is too strict, and many of the existing subcategories do not belong under logic, but would under reasoning. The category was intended to be general/vague and applicable before logic and applies to other domains. For example, a particular framing of a problem for logical analysis - it is the framing that is an assumption outside logic. All the axioms of mathematics (and there can be conflicting ones) are assumptions, but in mathematics and not logic. Every discipline in science makes assumptions about how that discipline furthers knowledge, and epistemology, for example, has questioned whether philosophy has actually done so. The point is that these are much more than logic understood in the narrow sense. Even science itself progresses non-deductively, i.e, by assumptions to be empirically tested. Hence I propose reasoning in the larger sense. PS. The textual content of the category is a bit over long, so what is missing is a related main article such as assumption (reasoning) or whatever the new name would be - but perhaps that is a problem for another day. Dpleibovitz (talk) 04:59, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Dpleibovitz, I think that the distinction between "reasoning" and "logic" may be a little more precise than we need here, but I won't oppose "reasoning" if that's the consensus. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:20, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to avoid ambiguity. I do not have a preference between the nominated and the alternative proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of awards from the United States National Academy of Sciences[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 August 2#Category:Recipients of awards from the United States National Academy of Sciences

Category:Cities of Military Glory[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:52, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD and WP:PERFCAT)
A City of Military Glory was a Soviet award for cities that showed courage during World War II. I was about to nominate this category for speedy deletion because we had already deleted it but, unbelievably, I was thinking of a different Soviet award for cities that showed courage during World War II. (That was Hero City and we deleted the category here.) Anyway, this award has the same problem: it categorizes cities that have existed for centuries/millennia for a five-year period. A specific war is defining of battlefields, but not typically whole cities. The contents of the category are already lisitifed here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:57, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Perfectly acceptable category. You just can't say that something is non-defining because it only applies to something that happened briefly. That's like saying that winning an Oscar is non-defining because it only applies to a brief part of an actor's life. It's preposterous. The Hero Cities category shouldn't have been deleted either; looks like a no consensus result to me. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:04, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:OCAWARD; winning these awards doesn't affect these cities nor defines them. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:43, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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