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June 19

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Category:Governors and Governors-General of Malta

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 08:08, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A category has been created for Governors-General. This category shouldn't cover both therefore. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:43, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Iranian diaspora political office-holders

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The result of the discussion was: relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 July 5. – Fayenatic London 09:02, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-notable intersection. TM 22:18, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Organizations based in Mandatory Palestine

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The result of the discussion was: keep. xplicit 00:56, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Since the term Mandatory Palestine refers to the time when this geographical region was ruled by the UK, it should follow British spelling. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 21:14, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Organizations based in the Palestinian territories

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename per Option B, noting that this also matches local usage by bodies that include the word in their name, e.g. the PLO and Leaders Organization. – Fayenatic London 09:08, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming under one of the following options:

Option A - "Organizations" to "Organisations"
Option B - "Organisations" to "Organizations"
Rationale: These categories all have the same national scope, so they should have the same ENGVAR usage. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 19:38, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussions have been opened to handle similar issues for other countries

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Category:Baseball players from Ponce, Puerto Rico

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: double merge for baseball and basketball players; single merge suffices for boxers (since they are already in Category:Puerto Rican male boxers).

Also propose merging-

Category:Basketball players from Ponce, Puerto Rico to Category:Sportspeople from Ponce, Puerto Rico and
Category:Boxers from Ponce, Puerto Rico to Category:Sportspeople from Ponce, Puerto Rico
Nominator's rationale: :Nominator's rationale: Per multiple CFDs, here[1], here[2], here[3], here[4] here[5], and here[6] just being six examples, we don't subcategorize sportspeople at the city town level. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:38, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all - even if the parent category and its subcats have no overlap, the parent categry will end up with 49 articles, so it doesn't need splitting. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 21:18, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Also upmerge, respectively, to Category:Puerto Rican baseball players, Category:Puerto Rican basketball players, and Category:Puerto Rican boxers. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 21:23, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Bastard Sons of Johnny Cash albums

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The result of the discussion was: soft delete while there is no info about the albums. – Fayenatic London 09:24, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A bit of a pointless category as it contains only redirects all going to the same article which offers no details about the albums themselves. Doesn't benefit readers. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 16:46, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There does appear to be a precedent to keep album categories, even if they are filled with redirects and not articles with actual content. However, the cited discussions were from several years ago. Perhaps consensus on the matter has changed; more input is needed.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, xplicit 01:49, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Culverts

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I checked the ones beginning A to P and confirm they are still all adequately categorised as the nominator says – some in "subterranean rivers". – Fayenatic London 09:48, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The articles in this category are generally about rivers, canals and bridges and are categorized as such - this category is unnecessary. Categorizing some canals (e.g. Lancaster Canal) in Category:Bridges is strange. DexDor (talk) 05:46, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, I see. But the other folk above seem to be saying culverts are bridges which certainly isn't true where I live. In the light of all this I agree that "culvert" isn't a good name for a category at all. A typical culvert (for me) wouldn't be notable anyway and a big one one would be better categorised as Category:Subterranean rivers or whatever. Things some people call culverts that i would call bridges can be categorised as bridges. For me, Lancaster Canal isn't any of these. It does not seem to be defined by its culverts or bridges. BTW, I'd like to distinguish artificial underground rivers from natural ones. Thincat (talk) 21:00, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename then purge -- There is room for a category for watercourse (rivers, brooks, etc) which are culverted for a substantial part of their course, but some of the articles are about waterways (such as Lancaster canal) most of which is not in a culvert. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:27, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For consideration of a rename proposal.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, xplicit 01:49, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Historic farms

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The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Centennial farms to Category:Century farms, keep the rest. – Fayenatic London 09:54, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:09, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose merger of "Centennial farms" and/or "Century farms" into generic "Historic farms". Thanks for notice about this. There's no difference intended between "Centennial" ones vs. "Century" ones; I have a small bias towards choosing to use "Century". Setting up a category redirect or merging "Centennial" into "Century" is fine. Also, Century farms can naturally be a subcategory of Historic farms. However, the term "Century farm" is a designation like a historic site listing which is specific, is recognized by various state agencies, involves documentation that one family owned and operated the farm for 100 years (where "in the same family" and "operating the farm" have to be defined well enough, which may vary slightly by state). This is like the difference between generic historic houses vs. houses which are specifically listed on the U.S. National Register of Historic Places or the City of Los Angeles' Historic-Cultural Monuments or the like. See the Century Farm article which lists the state recognizing bodies. It is temporarily a small category because previous members were lost in the past (perhaps one or both categories were deleted in the past). ["Category:Century farms" was previously deleted by this CFD in 2011, in which !voting participants were ignorant even about what a century farm is. Perhaps Century Farm article was developed more then or after.] There is room for an explicit list of them, but Categories and Lists are complementary (per wp:CLT), and it makes sense to allow the category so that members for a list can be identified. --doncram 04:32, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • P.S. wp:SMALLCAT applies to categories with little or no potential for growth. Check out this 23 page list of new Century Farms designated in Iowa in 2016, for just one state's listings, found in 2 seconds of Google searching. I am not expecting that each one of these needs a Wikipedia article. But where they are notable and have articles, putting into a category to group them together is helpful. --doncram 04:43, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • P.P.S. There were only a couple members when the categories were nominated. Now it includes:
  1. Boyd–Wilson Farm
  2. Brabson's Ferry Plantation
  3. Corbett Farm
  4. Davies Manor
  5. Spencer Eakin Farm
  6. Earnest Farms Historic District
  7. Fairvue (Jefferson City, Tennessee)
  8. Augustus Fanno Farmhouse
  9. Farrar Distillery
  10. Harms Farm
  11. Maden Hall Farm
  12. Maymead Farm
  13. McPhail Angus Farm
  14. Oak Hill Farm
  15. Shamrock Acres
  16. Smithson–McCall Farm
  17. Taylor-Stevenson Ranch
and perhaps more.
Also Jacob Nuffer Farmstead in Minnesota (currently a redlink) is a NRHP-listed one which will get an article and the category sometime, as will many others. Of 2,000+ NRHP entries with "Farm" in their name, it's not easy to see which are designated century farms, but a good number are.--
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, xplicit 00:42, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Parodies of Sarah Palin

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The result of the discussion was: merge, ensuring that the last two members also remain categorised as parodies. – Fayenatic London 10:04, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: We already have a Category:Cultural depictions of Sarah Palin, which covers a wider scope of portrayals of Sarah Palin than just parodies alone. Also this is more in line with all the other categories which list cultural depictions of celebrities. Shouldn't parody categories be restricted to works? User:Kjell Knudde 15:04, 19 June 2017 (UTC).[reply]
Delete: Agree with nom, this category is redundant. Bonewah (talk) 14:30, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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