Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ye Ko Oo

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The result was keep. Reliable sources have been provided which indicate subject meets inclusion criteria, both NFooty and GNG, as he is mentioned by name in articles on a match between two fully professional sides. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 10:35, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ye Ko Oo[edit]

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Havent played in any professional league. Fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. MbahGondrong (talk) 08:43, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY. Almost the exact same as Kyaw Zin Lwin. Can be recreated if subject meets requirements in future. Inter&anthro (talk) 09:37, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No established notability. Ashbeckjonathan (talk) 01:05, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 18:48, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Should not be deleted. He is a first line up player of Myanmar U-23 Team which won silver medal in 2015 SEA Games. He scored in 2015 SEA GAMES also. And Myanmar National League is a professional football league of Myanmar and listed in Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues. This article is not failed WP:NFOOTBALL. He currently plays for Yadanabon FC which managed to hold Myanmar National League Cup three times out of last six seasons including 2014 Cup.--MyatLynnAung (talk) 07:27, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If User:MyatLynnAung can point to a single Myanmar National League match report that mentions him playing, I'm sure everyone here would support that the article would be kept. Nfitz (talk) 06:11, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Optakeover ^(Talk) 11:10, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete - Probably notable per WP:NFOOTY, but really struggling to find confirmation of this, the comments above suggest that he essentially probably has played for a team in a fully professional league since I think it unlikely someone would play internationally without any club experience at an U-23 level, but are unfounded in the sources available to those not speaking Burmese. MyatLynnAung, at the risk of sounding presumptuous, your user name indicates that you might speak burmese. If so, are you able to provide a source that shows him either in a starting line up or coming on as a sub for his club. No problem if it is in Burmese script. Fenix down (talk) 12:22, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - per the reference below, he has played in a match in the AFC Cup between two teams from fully professional leagues. Fenix down (talk) 13:09, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Strong and speedy keep. See [1], news report on Yadanarbon FC in the Myanmar National league which clearly shows his name. Also see [2] and [3], information on Yadanarbon FC's involvement in the 2015 AFC Cup. Evidence that the subject is a member of Yadanarbon FC, which is participating in the Myanmar National League, Myanmar's top level professional league, and also the AFC Cup, which is by no means non-notable. Therefore, clearly passes WP:NFOOTBALL. Optakeover ^(Talk) 11:04, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Google has announced last time that they'll drop rankings of non mobile-friendly sites and non secure, HTTPS sites, thus websites such as The Myanmar Times would fall off Google's search rankings. If we assume most Burmese news websites to be the same, than a simple Google search can't be used to then rate notability just because you can't find anything on something, because it's highly likely Google isn't showing it due to their search engine design. AfD is not the Wikipedia Cleanup Department. I wished that more users would do their best to search for information rather than simply doing a Google search and expecting Google to speak for them. Optakeover ^(Talk) 11:20, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - meets WP:NFOOTY as per reference provided. User:Optakeover you don't have anything on Kyaw Zin Lwin for a league match. He was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kyaw Zin Lwin a couple of days ago on a similar lack of references; all that came up with U23 international stuff. Nfitz (talk) 12:43, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, yes. I'll keep to WP:BLP on that point. But once there is sufficient information on that subject I think a deletion review would definitely be in store. Optakeover ^(Talk) 12:45, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I have asked this also on WP:FOOTY, and got and understood that continental competition apps does not make someone notable. Unless there are sources that mentions he played in the Myanmar League OR senior national team, then he will be notable. The sources above still does not make him notable since they only mention his apps in AFC Cup. Discussion link here. MbahGondrong (talk) 17:44, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Normally when that comes up, it's between two teams where one (or both) aren't fully professional. And the reason is that when two fully professional teams meat in a continental cup, they tend to use regular players. What's different here, isn't that we think that this player hasn't had a league cap; this is the rare case where most suspect he has, but there's a complete lack of league match reports that anyone can find. I can't recall this every happening for another fully-professional league. Nfitz (talk) 20:57, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

*Should still be deleted. While Ye Ko Oo's team has played in the AFC Cup, there is no source that affirms that he himself played in it. If he did play if would clearly be shown on a cite such as soccerway, the AFC website, or nationalfootballteams.com. As a matter of fact he comes up on none of those so it is most probable that he didn't play in that completion. There is no source what so ever to suggest that he is a regular for Yadanarbon FC, and while the fact that he has played a league game for them is certainly in the possibility Wikipedia needs clear references and not user's assumptions. Inter&anthro (talk) 12:36, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, I finally found a source that confirms that he played in an AFC Cup match (sound a bit like a dumbass now haha). I have added the content to the article and it should now qualify for WP:NFOOTY. Inter&anthro (talk) 12:52, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I am not able to find particular detail of the fixtures in which Ye Ko Oo appeared for his Club. But according to the result of quick search of www.footballdatabase.eu/football, he scored 4 times for Yadanarbon FC in 2014-15 season. Although clear reference of fixture information is not available but how he scored if he did not appeared. Still it is an assumption but it is a safe assumption. MyatLynnAung (talk) 14:08, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, those goals were not from National League.

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