Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wisconsin Cheeseman

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The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 11:07, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wisconsin Cheeseman[edit]

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Seemingly non-notable company. "Wisconsin State Journal" is the only reliable source, although its only a passing mention of its acquisition, and not about the company itself. Should be delete. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 04:06, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 04:27, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is 388 F.2d 420, of course, although I haven't looked to see how much more that gives us. Uncle G (talk) 18:38, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I did not see that in the article. I am cautious on using it to establish notability, however it should definitely be in the article if its kept. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 18:46, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - We don't go by what's in the article. It's important to search for sources ourselves, otherwise we cannot honestly say that sources do not exist for writing an article. Uncle G (talk) 20:23, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There's a paragraph in Thomas 2004, p. 244. It's not much, but it's documented company history, there might be more to be found, and this might all add up.
- Thomas, Matthew Michael (2004). "Where the Forest Meets the Farm: A Comparison of Spatial and Historical Change in the Euro-American and American Indian Maple Production Landscape". University of Wisconsin-Madison. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)
Uncle G (talk) 20:23, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - whether I might shop there or not. Non-notable local business, minor and routine coverage. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:59, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Haug, John (1971-12-18). "Women Workers Accuse Wisconsin Cheeseman". The Capital Times. Archived from the original on 2021-04-19. Retrieved 2021-04-19 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article notes: "Wisconsin Cheeseman is the largest mail order gift food business in the world. The company produces gift food packages comprised mainly of Wisconsin cheese. The company employees about 60 full-time people at their plant on the outskirts of Sun Prairie, but during the Christmas season, when almost 100 per cent of the production occurs, the company hires from 1400 to 1500 area residents as temporary workers."
2. Prindle, John R. (1958-12-07). "Cheese, Trees Keep Business Buzzing". Wisconsin State Journal. Archived from the original on 2021-04-19. Retrieved 2021-04-19 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article notes: "The company, formed in Madison in 1947 and moved to Sun Prairie in 1951, sells Wisconsin cheese gift packages by direct mail. It sends out a colored catalog booklet listing gifts, ranging in price from $2.95 to $22.95. Since its small beginning in 1947 the firm has expanded to where it is one of the biggest of its kind in the state. It annually sends out thousands of gift boxes and baskets to every state in the union and to many nationally known customers." The article further notes: "Several years ago, Cremer said, the governor of Georgia ordered a big box of Cheeseman cheese for President Truman. The box arrived at the White House all right, but without a card. Mrs. Truman called Sun Prairie to find out who sent the box, and everything was straightened out."
3. Burns, Jane (2011-01-28). "Wisconsin Cheeseman to cease operations by end of March". The Capital Times. Archived from the original on 2021-04-19. Retrieved 2021-04-19.
  The article notes: "The Sun Prairie company is comprised of three operations, Wisconsin Cheeseman gift catalog and retail store, Mille Lacs Gourmet Foods gift basket wholesaler and Scott's Fundraising Resource, a wholesaler of fundraising foods. ... The company was founded by Garvin and Helen Cremer in 1946. The current private ownership group has had the company since 2007."
4. Adams, Barry (2007-04-19). "Wisconsin Cheeseman Is Sold - Group of Eight Investors Buys 60-Year-Old Sun Prairie Mail-Order Company". Wisconsin State Journal. Archived from the original on 2021-04-19. Retrieved 2021-04-19.
  The article notes: "Wisconsin Cheeseman was sold Wednesday by the Cremer family to an eight-member group of investors led by a Milwaukee native and Carroll College graduate with 26 years of experience in the food industry. ... [Holly] Cremer Berkenstadt's parents, Garvin and Helen Cremer, started the company on their kitchen table in 1947. Their first catalog, a small mail-order flyer, featured three gift items. The catalog has grown to more than 50 pages of cheeses, sausages, hams, jams and jellies, candy and fruit cakes."
5. Ortiz, Vikki (1996-12-10). "State Firms Get Tepid Reviews < Wisconsin Cheeseman, Swiss Colony Unmoved". The Capital Times. Archived from the original on 2021-04-19. Retrieved 2021-04-19.
  The article notes, "But if you're thinking about the Swiss Colony and Wisconsin Cheeseman holiday gift collections this season, poinsettias may be a better option, according to a report in the November Consumer Reports. After sampling merchandise from the Wisconsin-based food-catalog companies, tasters from the magazine gave both companies lukewarm reviews. Wisconsin Cheeseman, the Sun Prairie business celebrating its 50th birthday this year, was heralded for 'highest quality' cheddar cheese, but henpecked for its 'good, but barely' popcorn or 'nothing special' mixed nuts."
6. Ivey, Mike (2007-04-19). "Wisconsin Cheeseman Ownership Changes". The Capital Times. Archived from the original on 2021-04-19. Retrieved 2021-04-19.
  The article notes: "Businesswoman Holly Cremer-Berkenstadt was taught at a young age the importance of giving back to the community. When her parents, Garvin and Helen, founded the Wisconsin Cheeseman in 1946 they not only wanted to earn a comfortable living for themselves, they dreamed of creating hundreds of jobs so others could share in the benefits. Today, the company which markets holiday boxed cheese and other gift products employs over 170 at its headquarters in Sun Prairie. So the decision to sell the 60-year-old company to a group of eight investors did not come easily."
7. "Editorial: Please Move That Stupid Sign". The Capital Times. 1992-10-14. Archived from the original on 2021-04-19. Retrieved 2021-04-19.
  The editorial notes: "The Wisconsin Cheeseman up Sun Prairie way has long been one of the state's best corporate citizens. Over the years, the Cheeseman has unselfishly contributed employees' time and corporate money to in effect build Sun Prairie's celebrated Colonial Club for senior citizens. In addition, company founder Garvin Cremer has seen to it that the company takes part in several other charitable endeavors. ... So what does the state of Wisconsin do? The Department of Transportation decides to erect one of those big blue 'Food - Next Right' signs smack dab in front of the Cheeseman's display."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Wisconsin Cheeseman to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 04:22, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wisconsin Cheeseman passes Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Audience, which says:
The source's audience must also be considered. Evidence of significant coverage by international or national, or at least regional, media is a strong indication of notability. On the other hand, attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability; at least one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary.
Wisconsin Cheeseman operates in Monroe, Green County, Wisconsin. The Capital Times and the Wisconsin State Journal are based in a different county: Madison, Dane County, Wisconsin. The Wisconsin State Journal is the second largest newspaper in the state. Wisconsin Cheeseman has received regional or statewide coverage.
Cunard (talk) 04:22, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Wisconsin Cheeseman is notable since Wisconsin State Journal and The Capital Times have done stories on this company. Catfurball (talk) 15:44, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable per arguments of Cunard. Peter303x (talk) 20:51, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment many of the sources being cited as establishing notability seem to fail WP:AUD. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:59, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The two newspapers I cited are The Capital Times, a regional newspaper, and The Wisconsin State Journal, a regional newspaper that is the second largest newspaper in the state. Both newspapers meet the requirement in Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Audience that at least one source is a regional newspaper. Cunard (talk) 21:31, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Subject passes WP:GNG as proven by Cunard's sources. —pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 22:12, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It has notable coverage for what it offers: a WI cheese company. I don't expect it to be on the cover of the NYT or WSJ but it has lots of relavent statewide coverage in WI. Ew3234 (talk) 01:54, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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