Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Robinson (murder victim)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. WP:GNG is met. The article will be renamed as he is only notable for his murder. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:36, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

William Robinson (murder victim)[edit]

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Unsourced since April 2019, only external link seemingly unsourced; fails WP:N, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:VICTIM. Opalzukor (talk) 12:10, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Opalzukor (talk) 12:10, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Opalzukor (talk) 12:10, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of British Columbia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:09, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, a website/webpage that covers this, here has multiple reviews for wikinotability ie. The Journal for MultiMedia History - here, History Matters: The U.S. Survey Course on the Web - here, Journal of American History - here (subscriptin required), MERLOT - here (peer review). Coolabahapple (talk) 11:51, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - sources from Coolabahapple seem to show WP:GNG; article is in a poor state but requires improving rather than deleting Spiderone 21:27, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:MILL and WP:SIGCOV - this person died a long time ago and there's zero evidence that he or his alleged killing was every notorious. If you want to fix it, fix it. Bearian (talk) 17:51, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 14:42, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Agreed with Spiderone that the sources, when searching, do indeed seem to prove the subject passes WP:GNG. AfD is not article cleanup. The sources DO NOT have to be included in the article to make the subject notable. That's why we have the recommendations of WP:BEFORE. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 20:29, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and improve The article doesn't have a single citation for any of the facts presented, and my initial instinct was to delete it because many people get murdered.... and getting killed/murdered doesn't make one particularly notable as that is easily a black-swan event; a one-second google search brings up plenty of articles from what (at quick glance) appear to be notable. Give it a little time to be improved... 10Sany1? (talk) 20:55, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rename, expand scope, get better sources - Generally, we do not have articles about people that are only notable due to their murder/death. The murders themselves seem notable though, but the sources leave much to be desired. These murders seem to be significant because they targeted three African-Canadian men in two years on Salt-Spring Island. There also seems to have been some mystery about it and a book written about it. That said, I would think it would be better to change the article to "The murder of William Robinson" or better yet the "1867-1868 Salt Spring Island Murders" (discussing all three murders).--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 23:39, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. If kept, should probably be renamed to Murder of William Robinson, given his only claim to fame is his murder. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:02, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but rename Murder of William Robinson per above and add sources from above. // Timothy :: talk 10:41, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The website clearly is a reliable source covering the murder, but all the other sources are just reviews of the website that restate information about the murder from it. Is anyone able to find articles about the actual murder and murder victim that isn't just rehashed material from the website? Darryl Kerrigan's link to "a book" is actually just another link to the website. Ironically, currently the website seem to have more notability than William Robinson himself. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 12:24, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz ^Humbug! 08:20, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Just a run-of-the-mill murder. Most of the keep !votes are just "there must be sources" excuses. Foxnpichu (talk) 12:38, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.