Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wes Welcher
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. WjBscribe 01:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wes Welcher[edit]
Disputed prod. Junior hockey players with no other claim of notability. Fails WP:BIO, as well as the Ice hockey project's notability guidelines. See also discussion at WT:HOCKEY Also nominating:
- Matt Fillier (7th round NHL draft pick)
- Taylor MacDougall
- Luke Adam
- Pat O'Keefe
Nicolas BachandScott Brophy- Timo Pielmeier
No objections to recreating any of these articles should any of these players gain future notability, i.e.: playing in the NHL. Resolute 21:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Removed two, as separate AfD's were already created for those players. Resolute 21:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hockey-related deletions. —Djsasso 22:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete all All fail to meet WP:BIO & Hockey project standards for notability. --Djsasso 22:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete all per Djsasso. Skudrafan1 00:20, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete all per WP:BIO ccwaters 12:33, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep all New notability criteria will be proposed, which will keep some of these articles.Bradn87 12:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment This notability criteria was almost unanimously accepted in the past. It's unlikely to change in the next 4 days just because the creator of some articles up for deletion want them too. --Djsasso 13:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Why is it unlikely to change? Are people around here so opposed to new ideas? Nobody's asking for the notability criteria to be drastically rewritten or anything... it's just the addition of a new, completely reasonable ammendment. Bradn87 13:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Because people didn't want /any/ major-junior players considered notable. It was quite the fight just to get ones who has won awards considered notable. Every major-junior player is not going to be considered notable because it is extremely easy to become a major-junior player compared to becoming a professional player. --Djsasso 14:02, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment extremely easy? Yeah, go to a QMJHL training camp and tell that to the players. Let me know how long they laugh at you for. Is Wikipedia running out of space or what? What's the big deal with trimming absolutely anything that's not the best of the best or the biggest of the big? So they're not Gretzky... but they're still players of legitimate franchises and deserve to be treated as such. Not just "nobodys" that don't do anything.Bradn87 14:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment When there are 400+ new players entering each of the 3 major-junior leagues each year. Then yes compared to joining the professional leagues it is relatively easy. And yes wikipedia is for the best of the best so to speak. Wikipedia is not for just anyone. No one has said they don't play for real franchises or that they don't do anything. Just that they aren't notable yet, doesn't mean they won't be in the future. --Djsasso 14:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment No it is not relatively easy. I'm trying to make it to the QMJHL, and have many friends who are too, and it's anything but easy! And these players are very notable in their team's city. It's not like articles were made for all of our players, just the one's that are notable to the fans! FogDevil 15:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Compared to the NHL yes it is much easier. 2700 players make the CHL each year compared to only 900 in the NHL. And in the NHL alot of those 900 are the same players year after year. Whereas of the 2700 CHL players every 5 years they are completely different players due to age limits which make the number of players who ever play CHL hockey extremely high relative to professional hockey. --Djsasso 19:00, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment No it is not relatively easy. I'm trying to make it to the QMJHL, and have many friends who are too, and it's anything but easy! And these players are very notable in their team's city. It's not like articles were made for all of our players, just the one's that are notable to the fans! FogDevil 15:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment When there are 400+ new players entering each of the 3 major-junior leagues each year. Then yes compared to joining the professional leagues it is relatively easy. And yes wikipedia is for the best of the best so to speak. Wikipedia is not for just anyone. No one has said they don't play for real franchises or that they don't do anything. Just that they aren't notable yet, doesn't mean they won't be in the future. --Djsasso 14:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment extremely easy? Yeah, go to a QMJHL training camp and tell that to the players. Let me know how long they laugh at you for. Is Wikipedia running out of space or what? What's the big deal with trimming absolutely anything that's not the best of the best or the biggest of the big? So they're not Gretzky... but they're still players of legitimate franchises and deserve to be treated as such. Not just "nobodys" that don't do anything.Bradn87 14:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Because people didn't want /any/ major-junior players considered notable. It was quite the fight just to get ones who has won awards considered notable. Every major-junior player is not going to be considered notable because it is extremely easy to become a major-junior player compared to becoming a professional player. --Djsasso 14:02, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Why is it unlikely to change? Are people around here so opposed to new ideas? Nobody's asking for the notability criteria to be drastically rewritten or anything... it's just the addition of a new, completely reasonable ammendment. Bradn87 13:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment This notability criteria was almost unanimously accepted in the past. It's unlikely to change in the next 4 days just because the creator of some articles up for deletion want them too. --Djsasso 13:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Fails WP:BIO and Nobability Standards as agreed to on WP:HOCKEY. -Pparazorback 17:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete all per above. If Bradn87 wishes changes both in WP:BIO or in the criteria of WP:HOCKEY, he ought to take his argument there and see if he can get consensus to change in his favor. Until then, we're far more likely to gauge the notability of articles in light of the notability criteria, rather than to rewrite the criteria every time someone comes by with an article he wants to push. RGTraynor 14:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.