Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vince (rhinoceros)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus shifted after relisting and WWGB's major expansion. There is no consensus to delete the information anymore and while at the current consensus is to keep the separate article, a merge to a yet-to-be-created article about the zoo can be discussed independently from this AfD. So Why 07:02, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Vince (rhinoceros)[edit]

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WP:COATRACK, subject only received coverage due to the unusual manner of his death, which received a short flurry of news stories at the time of the death. No in-depth reliable coverage existed before this death, and little else has been written since. No enduring coverage, no in-depth coverage in reliable sources prior to death. Jayron 32 04:03, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete If this were a human it would fail BLP1E, and the same logic should apply here. Perhaps there may be mention of this in a article about poaching, but we definitely should not have a separate article where only the death is the most notable thing about the creature. --MASEM (t) 02:55, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Parc Zoologique de Thoiry, which will need to be created. There is s French language article that could be translated. The poaching of one of their star animals is a notable event in the history of this notable zoo. However an article on the animal itself is not justified for reasons Masem outlines. --LukeSurl^{t c} 10:54, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A merge might work. This could include a subsection.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:36, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Masem.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:08, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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If this is to be deleted, may I request that it be userified or draftified such that I could use it to create Parc Zoologique de Thoiry in the near future. --LukeSurl^{t c} 17:15, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Thoiry, Yvelines, which can be spun off into a separate zoo article if necessary. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 02:27, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or merge?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:49, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into an article on the zoo, which should be quick to create, at least as a short article to start with. This was a shocking and newsworthy case that people will want to find out about here. bd2412 T 11:11, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It appears Thoiry Zoo is covered in the English Wikipedia by the article Château of Thoiry. Considering the French wiki has separate articles for fr:Château de Thoiry and fr:Parc zoologique de Thoiry I'm not sure we're getting this 100% right - this could do with attention from a French speaker. However, for now, a condensed version of Vince (rhinoceros) could be merged to a subsection of Château_of_Thoiry#Exhibits and I think this would be the best outcome of this AfD. --LukeSurl^{t c} 11:13, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That's weird. The english article about the castle is actually about the zoo; the french article about the castle doesn't mention the zoo. Comte0 (talk) 07:41, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, probably to a subsection of Château of Thoiry per LukeSurl. Certainly an outright "Delete" would be wrong, as it would removed the redirect and the edit history which editors can use in developing at another article for now, or perhaps for a separate expanded article at the original title later, if there is reason (content/sources) in the future. --do ncr am 22:38, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Château of Thoiry#Zoo where an adequate summary already exists, there is ongoing coverage in French and English.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:29, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - plenty of good sources. Article in good shape overall. even several of those !voting Merge admits that it is a noteworthy and special case. Keep also per WP:GNG--BabbaQ (talk) 07:28, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article has been expanded and now shows that Vince was cited in multiple independent sources throughout his life. Satisfies WP:GNG. WWGB (talk) 03:33, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Thanks to the hard work of WWGB and others, this article now easily passes WP:GNG - Vince's live received decent coverage, not just his sad death. Edwardx (talk) 09:27, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I hate to admit that even a small article is passable as the content is way different from the Zoo castle article. George Ho (talk) 04:08, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.