Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 TV series)

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The result was keep. Withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Mhhossein ^talk 12:05, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 TV series)[edit]

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Anime series are usually notable per WP:NMEDIA and such, but here I have some doubts. First, no ja interwiki raise a red flag. Second, article has next to no verifiable sources, and my BEFORE fails to find any reviews, reception or such. The lead suggests a convoluted history (as well as quite a lot of unreferneced OR), this could be a season of something larger or some kind of mistake (it doesn't help that there is another series with identical name, Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 TV series) so please be careful with WP:GOOGLEHITS arguments...). Frankly, I have trouble verifying this show even existed under this name in 2001 (also, even this year is problematic, some dates in the article as well as [1] suggest year 2000 might be more correct). The best source I can find is [2] but it is not reliable, and in the end, we are not a catalogue of every show or such, only ones which got some reception/notability and as I said, I am not seeing a hint this one got it. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:15, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - It actually does have an article on the Japanese Wikipedia, if you search under its Japanese name, here. However, a quick google translate shows that the sources its using there are pretty bad (mostly just on individual toys, and mostly just using primary sources), so they don't really help make the case for notability. Rorshacma (talk) 14:49, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:NTV, which says "Generally, an individual radio or television program is likely to be notable if it airs on a network of radio or television stations (either national or regional in scope), or on a cable television channel with a broad regional or national audience." This show aired in Japan in 2000, and aired on Fox in 2001-2002 as part of the Fox Kids programming block. The nomination mentions "reception", but the actual rationale that Piotrus offers for deletion is "this could be a season of something larger or some kind of mistake." It is very easy to find sources that confirm that the show existed and aired in the US.
- To start with, there's the source currently being used in the article, from Business Wire (Sept 5, 2001): "TRANSFORMERS ROBOTS IN DISGUISE Returns! Hasbro Launches Product Line Based on Original '80s Theme; Fox Kids Series to Debut September 8th."
- Television Cartoon Shows: An Illustrated Encyclopedia, 1949-2003 by Hal Erickson (2005): "Of the subsequent Japanese Transformers derivations, two had been broadcast Stateside before the end of 2003. The first of these was Transformers: Car Robots, retitled Transformers: Robots in Disguise when it ran on Fox from 2001 through 2002."
- The Hollywood Reporter, "Transformers' TV Franchise Returns to Cartoon Network" (October 7, 2014): "Transformers: Robots in Disguise, not to be confused with the 2001 series of the same name..."
- Starlog Magazine, "Robots in Disguise" (July 2007): "In 2000, the Japanese unleashed the new cel-animated Transformers: Car Wars [sic]... imported here as Transformers: Robots in Disguise."
- Adweek, "A People's History of Transformers Cartoons" (Feb 23, 2015): "The last TF cartoon on broadcast tied in to a hodgepodge of foreign-market-first toys and was distributed by the now-defunct Saban. The redubbed Japanese show debuted just in time for 9/11."
- Newspapers.com has TV listings showing that Transformers: Robots in Disguise aired nationally on Fox from 2001 to 2002.

Television Cartoon Shows: An Illustrated Encyclopedia has significant coverage of the show and demonstrates notability, as does the Business Wire article. The others are passing mentions that I'm listing just to demonstrate that the show aired nationally in the US, which is enough to pass WP:NTV. I don't have sources here about reception, but per NTV, we kind of are "a catalogue of every show" that airs nationally on a major network. — Toughpigs (talk) 15:08, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I agree with Toughpigs reasoning. The show did exist, the nominators doubt about that have been proven irrelevant now. Dream Focus 18:31, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Let this page stay. It is a good entry in the Transformers franchise. Plus, @Toughpigs: and @Dream Focus: are right about their claims. --Rtkat3 (talk) 20:21, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw. My concerns re notability have been addressed. Thank you for your participation. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:51, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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