Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toni Nakić

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. While there is coverage of the subject, the consensus of this discussion is that it is too routine/local to grant notability. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 05:08, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Toni Nakić

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Fails WP:NHOOPS Dewritech (talk) 23:01, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mhhossein ^talk 05:19, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I thought it is impossible for a human being to fail any sport-related notability guideline on Wikipedia? Perhaps they are not a human but a player's pet cat? I can see this could get deleted. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:17, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think he passes the GNG, although I'm not confident enough to evaluate the non-English sources. Playing for Croatia's national team is a respectable accomplishment. They're highly ranked by FIBA. Nakic is on Draft Express' radar, too. [1] Zagalejo^^^ 04:40, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Doesn't meet WP:NHOOPS or WP:GNG. The articles in Croatian are mainly about him being named to the 24 man roster for the national team plus an interview with several of the players after Croatia finished second at the European U-20 championships. Routine sports coverage and WP:NOTNEWS. I also clarified that he was named best athlete for 2018 in the city of Šibenik--article implied it might have been for the league or nation. I'd say the article is WP:TOOSOON because he doesn't appear to notable yet. If better sources are shown, I'm willing to reconsider. Papaursa (talk) 15:56, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:GNG through mentions in Croatian sources. [2] [3] [4] [5]. This is youth coverage, but from a national Croatian periodical [6]. Lots of other passing mentions as well. SportingFlyerT·C 03:38, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The first source talks about his team being on a 3 game losing streak and doing team building at a waterfall before it launches into a detailed play by play of a game. I'd call that routine sports coverage. The next two articles are local coverage (urban population of Šibenik is about 50,000). The first mentions him playing at the junior euro-league tournament in Spain and then goes into detail about the team's performance. The second is a short article mentioning his being named as the best athlete in Šibenik and being invited to the 24 man roster for the national team's final World Cup qualifying games. That's more routine and WP:NOTNEWS coverage. The other two articles I can't access, probably because of my computer's security settings, but your "lots of other passing mentions" seems to hit the nail on the head. Plenty of typical sports reporting and local coverage, with having a chance to try out for the national team being the most significant. However, that alone is not enough to show WP notability. Papaursa (talk) 02:17, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Slobodna Dalmacija is the largest newspaper in the Dalmatian region, and Vecernji list is one of the biggest dailies in the country and did a feature on him, even as a youth. There's nothing wrong with local sources, especially when those local sources are actually national. SportingFlyer T·C 03:01, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Local or not, and some of it is clearly local, the coverage doesn't seem to be significant to me because it's typical sports reporting. As I said, I can't access the last two articles you listed. If you believe the coverage is significant, then we'll just have to disagree (or I'll need to see better sources). Papaursa (talk) 04:11, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We'll disagree, then. He's been covered specifically in two of the three largest daily periodicals in Croatia, and he was just called up to play against Poland last week [7] so even if he is deleted for not being notable, he'll be notable soon. SportingFlyer T·C 06:04, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I have to ask. What notability criteria do you think he'll meet by playing in a game against Poland? Papaursa (talk) 02:18, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My argument wasn't "he'll be notable for playing against Poland" but rather "he's now playing for a major national team." SportingFlyer T·C 05:13, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Which doesn't meet any notability criteria. Croatia finished the tournament with a 4-8 record and four games behind the last team in its group to be one of the 12 European teams to qualify for the World Cup. Nakić played a grand total of 2 minutes and none of the 37 players Croatia used in the tournament played less time.[8] I don't see how you can claim that shows notability unless you're willing to add thousands of players from the 165 FIBA nations. Papaursa (talk) 00:00, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 16:04, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

delete Fails to meet WP:NHOOPS. I don't think coverage is enough to meet the GNG. I had to rely on machine translations but it seems that Papaursa's translation of the first 3 sources given by Sporting Flyer are accurate. As for the other 2 articles, one is a short interview with the Sibenik teammates that helped Croatia win silver at the European U20 tournament and the other is an interview with him after winning a contest at the 2014 Croatian all star game. I see nothing that makes him notable, at least not yet. WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTALBALL apply.Sandals1 (talk) 23:00, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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