Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tomtown, Kentucky

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. After posting to Wikiprojects and 2nd relist, few new comments. Fairly detailed, policy and source-grounded keep rationale which was supported offset by some rather basic delete !votes. (non-admin closure) Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 00:54, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tomtown, Kentucky[edit]

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Another one that after further research does not appear to be notable. The GNIS entry, which is not linked but is located here, is sourced to Rennick. Not all of the Rennick-sourced entries are spurious (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barebone, Kentucky, but many have proven to be so. Topos show two homes and a couple non-residence buildings at an isolated crossroads; there is a Tom Town Road in the area. Newspapers.com results are for the road, scanner errors, and references in the serialization of a novel titled "The Old Silver Trail" by Mary E. Stuckney. Not in Rennick's Carroll County directory, index, or Carroll County post offices]. Google books brings up the Tomtown Road, a Tomtown Tunnell, and some hits for the place in "The Old Silver Trail". Unless "The Old Silver Trail" turns out to be some sort of factual local history (I'm seeing no evidence, as it was published as a novel by Lippincott in 1896), I don't see how WP:GEOLAND or WP:GNG is met. As with Barebone, it's possible I missed something, in which case I would like to be corrected. Hog Farm _Talk 19:34, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm _Talk 19:34, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kentucky-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm _Talk 19:34, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

delete I would guess there might have been some town here (for the tunnel to be named after) but doggedly I'm going to stick with WP:GNG and say that a settlement whose only documentation is an exhaustive list isn't notable. Searching produced nothing beyond the tunnel, and while I can see where that was, (it has been daylighted) nothing convinces me that there was much recognition of the few houses to the west as a town with a name. Mangoe (talk) 23:34, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The Encyclopedia of Northern Kentucky in the entry for English, Kentucky states the following "Carroll Co.'s common schools were not organized comprehensively until 1867. At that time, English Station School was designated as District 15. Other schools near English Station included Tomtown, District 17, on the West Fork of Mill Creek." I suspect the reason this settlement isn't showing up in newspapers is because it pre-dates most of them and had ceased to exist prior to their first publication. The encyclopedia entry references two works which may have more details (Campbell, Justine Tandy, History of the Carroll County Schools, 1976 and Gentry, Mary Ann. A History of Carroll County, 1984). This map clearly shows it was the largest settlement in the district after English. This is a verified settlement with a school, so passes WP:GEOLAND, and we shouldn't delete it simply because it's not discussed in detail in Google Books or Newspapers.com online sources per WP:NEXIST. ----Pontificalibus 09:17, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jack Frost (talk) 06:02, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I find it a bit odd that (one) search returned weather reports for a ghost town. Other than this particular oddity, search does not return any reliable sources on this location. Fails GNG. --Whiteguru (talk) 11:03, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
comment For anyone interested I've found an interesting website called 'North Kentucky Views'. Some takeaways:

Maps post-1899 don't seem to contain Tomtown, which might indicate that sometime between 1883 and 1899 the settlement ceased having any significance.

Here's an old photo and a newspaper transcript about a crash near the Tomtown tunnel (no mention of Tomtown). Also some related pictures on this page about 'English'. Caroll county page here Regards, Zindor (talk) 21:54, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Vehemently Strong Delete Useless town stub. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 16:38, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have posted at in a couple of Wikiprojects [1], [2] to solicit more responses.--DreamLinker (talk) 13:11, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 22:29, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Pontificalibus. Mottezen (talk) 07:44, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.