Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Embiid

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The result was delete. No evidence of passing WP:NSPORT or any other notability guideline. ansh 666 18:50, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Embiid[edit]

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Being someones dad is not a reason for an article (notability is not passed up). Apart from that no evidence of any notability. Slatersteven (talk) 15:15, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Being a colonel in the military and a handball champion [1], could actually be grounds for notability (not presumed notability, though I'm shaky on the sports side). However, it would seem that in this case this individual is mainly covered/interviewed in relation to his son - and not all that much - doesn't pass SIGCOV.Icewhiz (talk) 15:45, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete---yes, he's mentioned in a couple of reliable sources, but only as the father of. Drmies (talk) 15:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:SPORTCRIT. The New York Times describes him as "a former captain of the nation’s [Cameroon] handball team", which means he has represented his country at the international level. The article needs lots of work but don't let his relationship to his son take away from his own accomplishments.--TM 16:16, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

While we are lacking his birth date, if we extrapolate that he was probably in the handball team in the 80s or 90s, then per our own article - Cameroon national handball team - it seems this team did not participate in much of all during those years (1979-1996) - it is not clear at all that he participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level (such as the Olympics) which per SPORTCRIT leads to presumed notability. Lack of any online sources prior to his son emerging is also not encouraging in this regard.Icewhiz (talk) 16:25, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive me, but I am having trouble finding "captain of a nations team" in the criteria. So it would be necessary to show he had in fact taken part in a major international event, we cannot assume he did.Slatersteven (talk) 16:29, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was able to find this (the sole online piece (anything!) that didn't mention his son) - [2] - which has him as a lt. col in the Conseil International du Sport Militaire for Handball (the military team). The NYT piece is the only one saying captain of the national handball team (and is probably, as many other sources, conflating a half with a full colonel). Others are saying handball player. This one - [3] says he was president of the Cameroon Handball Federation.Icewhiz (talk) 16:36, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So we go back to nothing says he ever played in a major international tournament.Slatersteven (talk) 16:54, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In 2013 he was a candidate for president of the Fédération camerounaise de handball[4], which says he was a former player for the FAP (see fr:FAP Yaoundé (handball) - indeed a military team). Given this is a Cameroonian source focusing on the sport, I'm going to guess it is correct. So unless he won that campaign (and looking, I think Mvita won and has been president ever since), I don't think he held the post. Based on the French wikipedia page, FAP was a top African team in the 1990s, so Embiid may well have played in major international tournaments with them. Smmurphy^(Talk) 03:13, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Following up, occasionally his name is (mis?)spelled, "Embid", which might help in searching I don't know. Also, he is mentioned in this book [5], which I only have snippet view for. This suggests he may have been involved in regional or global games, but it isn't clear. I don't have an opinion on whether or not he is a suitable subject for an article, I'm just showing what I've found. Smmurphy^(Talk) 03:18, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as very few sources come up when googling "Thomas Embiid" with "-Joel" added. Actually just three under news, one in French about the foundation for his other son, Arthur, one listing Joel Embiid solely by his name in an article also mentioning Isaiah Thomas, and a third which used Joël, instead of "Joel". Not notable as a Colonel, but that might be because Cameroon doesn't have a robust online history. JesseRafe (talk) 22:11, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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