Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Official Visit

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. ST47 (talk) 05:05, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Official Visit[edit]

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Fails WP:NOT#PLOT, and doesn't establish WP:Notability; a plot summary is already present in List of Yes Minister and Yes, Prime Minister episodes. I originally added a {{notability}} flag in 2008, which got removed in 2012 for no apparent reason. (This AfD is a test case for all the other episodes for this series.) – sgeureka ^t•c 09:34, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. – sgeureka ^t•c 09:34, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:36, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:36, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Regretful delete - As much as it pains me to vote delete on this, no, this is basically WP:ALLPLOT and hence fails WP:NOT. There is no evidence that this episode (or any of the other episodes, which could be nominated together with this one) is notable independently of Yes Minister, and as such it also fails WP:GNG. FOARP (talk) 13:22, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I don't see a wikia dedicated to this show, so I am not sure if there is any other website that hosts a better plot summary for this episode (Series). But WP:ITSUSEFUL is not a valid argument to keep this... maybe transwiki to Wikibooks? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:57, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -- in regards to future AFDs, I'd be wary of lumping every episode together. Certain things (for example, the special between the two series, would probably receive enough individual media coverage for being out of the ordinary. Individual episodes might also receive differential levels of coverage. matt91486 (talk) 00:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If there is AfD concensus that (most of) the articles shouldn't exist, then I'll probably just redirect the other episode articles to the LoE, citing this AfD and its rationale. If someone wants to revive the articles by solving the AfD concerns, fine, but nothing has been improved for 11 years, so... *shrugs* – sgeureka ^t•c 10:14, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Without sources, there is no need for this to exist. TTN (talk) 22:35, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. These expanded Plot-articles for Yes Minister should probably be merged into the main article as shorter plots (eg less than 10 lines per norm); would be a shame to lose this material until such a merger was completed? Also, probably shouldn’t delete individual articles until a group-solution has been decided. Britishfinance (talk) 09:37, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:NOT Wm335td (talk) 22:24, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Britishfinance. 4meter4 (talk) 08:26, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge sgeureka could re-nom the series (who are all in the same shape), and propose they be merged into the main Yes Minister article that should be re-done as a proper "Series" article with 10-line plot summaries for each episode, E.g. like this Chernobyl (miniseries)? There is too much plot here, but many Yes Minister enthusiasts (myself included), like to have a way to remind themselves of what happened in each one? Britishfinance (talk) 11:41, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am fine with redirecting all of them to the LoE, and interested editors can salvage what they want from the ep article history. However, I do not support leaving the articles up for longer - eleven years have been long enough. – sgeureka ^t•c 11:51, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, WP:NOT#PLOT applies. Second choice redirect to the main article or an article about the seasons, if existent. What we should not do is leave them under a merge tag for another decade doing nothing. Stifle (talk) 14:14, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to the list of episodes page. There's no good reason to delete content where there's a valid merge target as an alternative to deletion. There's no real, pressing issue that militates towards getting rid of this content now. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 14:38, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or merge?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:44, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Definately not Delete given the content here. These are useful material for creating shorter plots as part of a larger topic article. Britishfinance (talk) 21:55, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's exactly what List of Yes Minister and Yes, Prime Minister episodes is already doing. The plot summaries are already fine and per WP:UNDUE don't need more than one or two summary sentences extra, which you won't find in the ep articles. A plot reminder from e.g. IMDb can help here as well, so it's not like deletion would hurt. – sgeureka ^t•c 10:44, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Those are just one line summaries - way too short. We want the main article to look like this: Chernobyl (miniseries). This content of this article (and all others in the series) should be written down into a 10-line summary per Chernobyl; otherwise, I would not delete the article. Britishfinance (talk) 19:51, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 13:22, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per the above discussion, specifically FOARP. Aoba47 (talk) 19:10, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or at least find a way to keep the plot summary, it would be a shame for so much hardwork to be wasted and the pages are useful. As long as the serise as a whole is notable then keeping each episode page like many other shows have.Zubin12 (talk) 02:19, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I can certainly respect that an editor put work into this article, but that is not really a good reason to keep something. The final part falls under WP:OTHERSTUFF. Some shows have episodes that received enough coverage for individual articles, while others do not have this. Such comparisons are not particularly useful for this particular discussion. Aoba47 (talk) 04:29, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of Yes Minister and Yes, Prime Minister episodes. Unfortunately, and as noted above, there are already short summaries of the episodes in the main article/list. Large scale merging seems likely to bloat the target article. However this is a viable search term and would make a good redirect. That would also satisfy some of the concerns of various editors with respect to preserving the material in the editing history of the redirect. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:53, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.