Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stanley Ocitti

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The result was keep. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 14:28, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Stanley Ocitti

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Fails WP:NBASKETBALL, contested Prod. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:15, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete, although there is a lot of complete information, I'm not getting many web results about this particular player. startTerminal (haha wow talk page | startTerminal on irc) 00:55, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 01:38, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 01:38, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 01:38, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep passes WP:SPORTCRIT as having "participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level" through FIBA. This is no different than a soccer player representing their country in an international tournament.--TM 01:58, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I do not agree that this passage from WP:SPORTCRIT suggests blanket notability for those playing at the highest level of every sport in every country - every sport has different standards of what the "highest level" is in their individual SSGs. These are listed at WP:NBASKETBALL. You absolutely cannot make a blanket statement that professional athletes at the highest level of any country are notable. The example is the Olympics, which is a broad "highest level" for amateur competition (historically anyway). You need to demonstrate that this subject meets WP:GNG in my opinion (because even if he meets the sport guideline he would sill need to meet GNG to be notable). FIBA Africa isn't the highest level anyway, it is a qualification tournament for the FIBA World Cup - has he played in that? Rikster2 (talk) 20:39, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, AfroBasket is a continental championship, like EuroBasket. The qualification for the World Cup has changed throughout the years and today there is a separate qualification tournament for the it. It is true that the top teams qualify for the Olympics but then again, countries participating in basketball at the Olympics qualify for the continental championships. Dammit_steve (talk) 14:05, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is still not a top level tournament in my eyes - that’s just the World Cup and Olympics (world scope, not continental scope) for basketball. And in my opinion we shouldn’t be trying to game the “general criteria” of the guideline when Sports specific guidelines and GNG exist. Rikster2 (talk) 16:54, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. FIBA Africa is not a major international tournament. Spanneraol (talk) 22:44, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is for African countries and every bit as major as any regional international tournament. Would you say the same for UEFA European Championship or is it just an African thing?--TM 22:53, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a regional tournament, not a major tournament like the Olympics or the World Cup. Regional basketball tournaments dont have that level of notabilty. Spanneraol (talk) 23:16, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The winner of the tournament qualifies for the Olympics. So again, are you saying that regional qualifying tournaments are not major tournaments or are you arguing that Africa's highest international competition specifically should be excluded?--TM 23:28, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the winner goes to the Olympics, which would be the highest level competition. Rikster2 (talk) 23:29, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

None of the regional qualifying tournaments should qualify. Spanneraol (talk) 23:39, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a regional qualifying tournament, it is continental championship. Dammit_steve (talk) 14:05, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep Clearly passes WP:GNG. TempleM (talk) 23:01, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think he meets WP:GNG with the sources in the article, even if just barely. Rikster2 (talk) 23:24, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:GNG. Dammit_steve (talk) 23:44, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets GNG although some sources have trivial mentions. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 17:06, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the expanison work done post AfD nom. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 08:38, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly passes WP:GNG. Once again, nominator has not done the slightest bit of WP:BEFORE. May be time for some action against him. Smartyllama (talk) 12:51, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. While it is true that he does not meet WP:NBASKETBALL, he does, however, meet WP:GNG, which trumps WP:NBASKETBALL. Ejgreen77 (talk) 02:40, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes gng and sportscrit, so NBASKETBALL is irrelevant.Jacona (talk) 15:19, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep AfroBasket 2015 and players for it are notable. Elassint ^Hi 04:54, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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