Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. Anthony's Senior Secondary School, Barabanki

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Of those who provided a policy-backed reason, there was a consensus for deletion on failure to show notability. Several individuals did suggest the same merge target, but with some comments against it, I was nervous about going that route especially given weight of opinions. There was an even clearer rebuttal against redirection. Nosebagbear (talk) 21:05, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

St. Anthony's Senior Secondary School, Barabanki[edit]

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Prod was removed and only primary sources were added. Fails WP:NSCHOOL. LibStar (talk) 01:45, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education, Schools, and India. Hey man im josh (talk) 01:49, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Christianity and Uttar Pradesh. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:53, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Barabanki#Education. --Joyous! Noise! 16:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the school is one of the most prestigious and sought after amongst the ones listed in Barabanki district. --Fz^tc_s 06:13, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"the school is one of the most prestigious and sought " is not a criterion for notability. LibStar (talk) 06:18, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can you find sources to demonstrate notability. ThanksJagmanst (talk) Jagmanst (talk) 06:31, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:38, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete - per WP:GNG & WP:V and according to nomination, I don't thick who its article available from 2007 and in 19 July 2023 this article is nominate for WP:AFD. Kind regards ÀvîRâm7^(talk) 05:14, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Could you say more? I'm not sure that I follow the points you are trying to make here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:33, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Replying to comment to my keep vote: The school is one of the notable schools of the district (the reason why it is sought out for admission).--Fz^tc_s 13:16, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"One of the notable schools" is like saying WP:ITSNOTABLE. LibStar (talk) 03:19, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as no evidence of any notability, A Google search yields 0 results[1], Fails NSCHOOL and GNG. –Davey2010^Talk 19:05, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Roman Catholic Diocese of Lucknow and mention at Barabanki#Education. There is not enough sourcing—or content, really—to support a stand-alone article. IMO, the better place for the merge may be the diocesan article; other schools in the Barabanki article just get a one-line listing. —C.Fred (talk) 13:43, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: WP:NSCHOOL isn't met due to lack of in-depth coverage. Readers looking for this specific school would probably be surprised to see its article space redirected to Roman Catholic Diocese of Lucknow; deletion seems like the best option to me. JFHJr (㊟) 22:51, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I looked through Hindi news to find some coverage of this school. Most sources for this area are likely in non-online archives. Nonetheless, I found one article in Dainik Bhaskar about the school's christmas program. I also saw the school performed very prominently in the board exams, suggesting to me it is a prominent school in the area. I don't actally know Hindi, but managed to find these sources. I say it is very high probablity there has been sustained news coverage about this school, that may not be easy to access online. Nonetheless, I think the article is viable as a stub. Jagmanst (talk) 03:37, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Have added a few more media sources. Jagmanst (talk) 04:33, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree with that. Even I came across those links couple of days back but was not sure how to add the stuff to article so added google search link in external links section.--Fz^tc_s 11:41, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not seeing Sigcov here. Okoslavia (talk) 23:08, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, I want to point to WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, which clearly states that, "Most elementary (primary) and middle schools that don't source a clear claim to notability usually get merged or redirected to the school district authority that operates them" (probably suggestions of C.Fred & Joyous! are on similar lines.).

Also, the point to be noted is that this article was created in 2007 (~10years before February 2017 RFC), when "secondary schools were assumed notable unless sources could not be found to prove existence". So, the artice was not only created in good-faith but also was valid for 10years of it's existence as per then WP policies. Now i.e., after 2017-RFC, which although says, "Secondary schools are not presumed to be notable simply because they exist", but also states, "References to demonstrate notability may be offline, and this must be taken into consideration before bringing a page to AfD." & "Editors should not flood AfD with indiscriminate or excessive nominations.", there is a drive to delete this article. IMHO, the article although a stub, doesn't violates any policy (especially related to negative matters like spam,promotion, etc.) and covers a ~46years old important secondary educational institute of Barabanki district (a area with not much coverage by media in general and English media in particular). Considering these points, I still believe that article merits strong keep, worst case there may be a merge/redirect but definitely no delete.--Fz^tc_s 05:17, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The RFC also had this to say:

"The argument that sources for secondary schools are more difficult to find than they are for typical topics because they are likely to be concentrated in local and/or print media is very valid. Additionally, the argument that removing the presumption of notability from schools would increase systematic bias is very strong."

I also note this argument made in the RFC debate has proven correct:

"even if this RfC agrees on a consensus that schools must be shown to meet GNG, I have zero hope that this principle will be applied to secondary schools in the Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, or the United States. There will be arguments over whether or not the extensive local coverage counts, but it will likely be resolved in favour of the high school. The consensus of WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES will likely still be the de facto consensus for schools in these countries. This RfC was largely started because of outcomes of no consensus or delete for schools in South Asia." Jagmanst (talk) 05:49, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless, this particular school has significant coverage in media. It has been shown to be significant especially with regards to its district leading examination performance, which is neither routine or run of the mill. So despite not being a western school, it should be kept. Jagmanst (talk) 05:53, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - contra the keep claims, provided coverage is threadbare and doesn't add up to GNG. Bhaskar is brief coverage of a pageant performed by students of the school, with nearly nothing about the school itself; Amarujala lists high-ranking students' test scores from several schools, including multiple students from St. Anthony, but again no real coverage of the school itself. If there were a lot more examples like the Bhaskar piece I would flip to keep on an WP:NEXIST basis that a school generating that much routine coverage has almost surely produced significant coverage somewhere, but with just the one I'm not convinced. Arguments regarding over a decade of evolving consensus on school notability come off as wiki-lawyering. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 14:58, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I put a whole lot of other media coverage similar to Bhaskar. See footnote 8. Footnote 7 shows TV news coverage about the school's exceptional exam performance.

Jagmanst (talk) 15:34, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.