Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sooraj Surendran

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Non-English sources are just as valid for demonstrating notability. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 14:03, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sooraj Surendran[edit]

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Not notable enough. To sufficiently justify the claims made in the article, we would need sources that significantly cover his work from outside of India ... I can't find a single one. Indeed the sources provided seem marginal, at best. The article has been written by single-purpose accounts which make spammy edits like these ones to Nursing care bed and this one to Motorized wheelchair. Graham87 09:51, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 10:00, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

His Contribution is getting more attention now a days, recently he developed an low cost smart electric wheelchair Electronic Control System for Motorized wheelchair.By this Huge difference in price will come to Motorized wheelchair and help disabled people. He is notable person and his contribution is valuable. His works are covered by all Medias in kerala.Even National Medias Indian Express also covered his work. People should know his work. Simple thing , am an person using an motorized wheelchair,his invention will help thousands of people like me and he is using his knowledge for social helping. Like me lot of people. BhaskerDeepak

One More Information i like to share is , He is working on an Electronic Controller Unit for Motorized Wheelchair , which will help Blind Old Age people for their movement and also developed an Electronic Control Unit for Seat Lifting mechanism for Motorized Wheelchair. His Social Contribution and contribution to disability Industry is more in Technological scale. He should be supported and given more chances. BhaskerDeepak —Preceding undated comment added 10:51, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We do not judge a subject's notability for an article on how worthy their cause is, but rather how often they are mentioned in reliable sources. A link to the Indian Express article would be nice, but unnless it is a substantial feature article with testimonials from international clients, I doubt it will count for much here. Graham87 11:01, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

i Read his invention news in Indian Express and later read in almost all medias[ With in India], No body reported outside of india. Attached the indian express newspaper cutting even. Article came inthe Indian Express is not an feature report , it's explaining his invention details. A Person like him should be supported for his contributions to disability field by providing reference like wikipedia articles including his news citations. May be he can be an inspiration to upcoming generations who are planning to provide their technological contributions to disability field. Media news cited is stating that , he spend more than 3 years for understanding the customization requirements commonly coming in Motorized wheelchair and done these contributions. BhaskerDeepak

One more Point is He is from an Remote Village, his inventions contributes to disability field a lot. Almost all well known medias of that particular provinces reported the news as it is an major contribution from him. But an reliable sources still not reported his news is not his problem, we need to consider the reference news and support him like providing Articles like this. As an Contributor and an needy person , i felt the importance of his contribution. We need to support persons like him, after that only may be outside india somebody will report his news.BhaskerDeepak

You didn't attach anything, and that's not how Wikipedia works: this site does not make moral judgements in cases like this about who gets articles. Graham87 11:57, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

. This is the attachment , i attached in the article page for his Indian Express News reference. Please have an look. Please read other news citation also , almost 10 reference citations is there. He is an indian upcoming Electronics Engineer , may be he will honored for his current invention after this crisis.BhaskerDeepak

I've checked out the article using optical character recognition software, since I am blind and use a screen reader. It does not really satisfy the requirements here, because it seems to take his word (or the word of his press agency) about the uniqueness of the product as gospel, so it is not really an objective article. Unfortunately I have had to nominate File:News Sooraj.jpg for speedy deletion, now that I know it exists, because you almost definitely do not have the right to release a random newspaper article under a Creative Commons license, unless you happen to be the newspaper publisher. I also nominated file:Sooraj Surendran1.jpg for deletion while I was there, because it is badly sourced, and if it wasn't taken by the uploader it was almost certainly a copyright violation as well. Graham87 15:02, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Person is not notable. The work done by Sooraj Surendran is not notable either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashishkafle (talk • contribs) 14:21, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, WP:GNG does not specify that the subject needs international coverage. To me, the sourcing in the article is sufficient to prove notability. Mbdfar (talk) 18:01, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: As Mbdfar says, the nominator's request for a "feature article with testimonials from international clients" is not required. I don't know why we would need coverage from outside of the subject's home country; that's not part of the standards. — Toughpigs (talk) 19:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Mbdfar and Toughpigs: I normally wouldn't be so strong about insistance on international coverage, except that the subject of this article works in a very niche area in disability that is almost guaranteed to get (relatively non-objective) feel-good coverage if the media finds out about it. I feel like, if he really was notable enough for Wikipedia, I'd be able to find materials from, say, international charities that discuss his work. I'm not specifically picking on India here ... I'd hold coverage restricted to any country to this standard ... even the US, the most populous developed country. I'm going to notify WikiProject Disability about this discussion; I thought this would happen automatically, but it seems not to have. Graham87 04:24, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Also the other thing that concerns me about this article ... at the moment the only way to stop it from being perpetually orphaned is to unduly promote his products in other Wikipedia articles. There is no objective coverage that says he has yet pioneered or revolutionised anything, so this would be undue weight. Graham87 04:30, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but merge: Ostrich Mobility seem more notable than Surendran, they can be bought internationally, were used in a recent film, and 2,000 were provided to the local region (which also has a WP page). I think the page should be renamed to Ostrich Mobility which has more sources, and his work can be moved to a heading under there. While he seems an interesting designer or is not clear how much contribution he individually is making compared to Ostrich Mobility. He doesn't yet meet the WP:Academic requirements but there are clear, independent notable sources regarding the impact of the products. Amousey (they/them pronouns) (talk) 21:48, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep:the sourcing in the article is sufficient to prove his notability, his contribution is noted and bought by sources.-NeethuRafale (talk) 06:52, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disability-related deletion discussions. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:19, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It's difficult to to decide this AFD because so much of the article relies on non-English sources. WikiProject India might be able to assist evaluating those sources. The few sources in English are not convincing. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:31, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: As Mbdfar says, Sourcing seems sufficient for proving Notability. Moreover interesting work.-KocheAjay (talk) 09:32, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. It is difficult to establish that Surdendran or his inventions are notable from the content contained within the article. Perhaps this would be better located on the Indian version of wikipedia. While international coverage isn't required to be on the English language wiki, I have some doubts per WP:BIO. ≫ (Lil-Unique1) -{ Talk }- 12:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.