Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert van Hook

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The result was redirect to List of offenders executed in the United States in 2018. Absent a strong argument against redirection, and where such is an available option, ATD and CHEAP carry a lot of weight. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:52, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Robert van Hook

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Article was PRODed by me a couple days ago on concerns the subjecct fails WP:GNG and WP:CRIME. The tag was removed by an editor claiming that the subject's usage of the Homosexual panic defense and appeal makes van Hook notable. While the article has been improved and references added since the time of the PROD, the issue of the article failing WP:GNG and WP:CRIME (and perhaps WP:BIO1E) remain Inter&anthro (talk) 21:46, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- Inter&anthro (talk) 21:46, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. -- Inter&anthro (talk) 21:46, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 23:07, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment WP:CRIME I can see going either way, but don't the current sources cover WP:GNG as significant coverage in national media? Also, per our article, he's the only person executed in Ohio this year, one of four in the last five years, which might suggest that his was a more notable crime than most. On WP:BIO1E, the idea is that if someone is known for one event, they should probably be merged into that event's article. Since there isn't an article for the murder separate from this biography, I don't think it applies. Mortee (talk) 23:26, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The murder attracted little attention in 1985. The subject's notoriety is therefore derived from his recent execution. WP:ONEEVENT and WP:NOTNEWS. The execution is reported appropriately at List of offenders executed in the United States in 2018. WWGB (talk) 23:33, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, he was executed in 2018. here is coverage from 2017, here he's "getting engaged" in 2016, here is the Supreme Court ruling on the case in 2009... the coverage in 1985 is harder to assess, being pre-internet and now drowned out. List of offenders executed in the United States in 2018 has no information about the crime or the victim, only the criminal's name and stats. Still no vote for now, but I'd like more clarity on the nominator's position. Mortee (talk) 00:33, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Mortee: The subject of this article does not pass WP:CRIME as neither the murder he partook in, the victim, or his death have been covered in anything that passes WP:ROUTINE. The fact that the Homosexual panic defense was used in his trial is not notable in itself as there are plenty of people who have used it as an excuse. Neither is the fact that he is the first individual to be executed in Ohio this year, in fact taking a look ahead there are quite a few people from Ohio who are scheduled to be executed. Of the sources you provided in the above comment the first is routine news which surrounds the appeal process of every convict who is scheduled to be executed, the second source comes from a tabloid and is also not notable as it is not unheard of for inmates to get engaged, and the third source falls under WP:PRIMARY. All three sources can certainly be added to the article, but the underlining issue is this is a criminal whose crime and life have not revived any indebted coverage. If said coverage of his crime or execution can be provided than I will gladly withdraw my nomination. Inter&anthro (talk) 01:16, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of offenders executed in the United States in 2018. He's notable only for one event, doesn't pass WP:GNG. But plausible search term for redirect. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:57, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No lasting significance. Wikipedia is not a true crime blog. Carrite (talk) 17:13, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.